Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

March 27, 2010

Tea Party Ignorance: Who is Responsible?

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 5:57 pm

You have to laugh when a Fox anchor is so embarrassed by standard Tea Party ignorance that he has to correct it on the air. But it makes you wonder: Who is really responsible for such grade school stupidity mouthed by adults? I lean toward individual accountability: it’s the fault of people who lack the education (and/or intelligence), and there certainly is evidence for that in many of the commenters here.

But I think that the shocking irresponsibility of the people who exploit the stupidity of the gullible for commercial or other reasons has to be taken into account. . By encouraging idiocy like “Obama is a communist”, encouraging the propagation of the crude and ignorant views of the Tea Partiers, they must know they are debasing and devaluing genuine political debate in America, abandoning intellectual and moral standards and responsibility and shaming themselves.

What I still would like to know is when the conservatives on this site and others, people I have respected for their intellectual sophistication even when I disagreed with their views. are going to speak out? Do you really want to be identified with Victoria Jackson as your political/intellectual peer? Do you really think, like she and so many other TPers, Obama is a Communist.? Tell us. Why not, like Ron Radosh, at least, try to educate these ignoramuses about Glenn Beck’s toxic pseudo- history, rather than encourage the suckers in their pathetic ignorance? People are going to remember this ugly time and who stood up for historical truth and who was content to be silent or active enablers in the face of thuggery and stupidity. .

If not now, when? Cat got your tongue?

Or are some conservatves secretly happy they have a mob of ignorant thugs on their side? TPers probably have never heard of a fellow named von Papen and the role he played, hs tragic mistake, but those with a knowledge of history beyond Glenn Beck do. How did that work out for him, his alliance with thugs?

But I can’t believe responsible conservatives feel their “side” is the side of such embarrassing ignorance. Why are they not expresssing in print the private revulsion they must feel at the trashing of intellectual standards the Tea Party represents?

Still I’ve enjoyed the unique insight into the tiny Tea Party brain commenters here have given me and will have more to say elsewhere about the valuable knowledge of the TP I’ve gained from being on this site. Somebody has to expose the repellant truth. Indeed I’ve enjoyed being able to speak directly to the TPers and let them know directly what a spectacle their ignorance has made of them. The whole world is laughing at you, TPers.

But to those who have sought for whatever reason to make an alliance with them, just a word of friendly advice. That old saying applies: “When you lie down with dogs, you rise up with fleas.”

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26 Comments »

  1. Hitler wasn’t a socialist… stalin wasn’t a communist… hell stalin was considered a moderate.

    Don’t let broad opinions get in the way there ron… o… hows that bush hitler motto working for you?

    Comment by robotech master — March 27, 2010 @ 6:10 pm | Reply

  2. The timestamp on this post: March 27th, 2010 5:57 pm

    The timestamp on comment 13 here:
    http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2010/03/26/happy-about-this-tea-partiers/#comments
    Mar 27, 2010 – 1:30 pm

    Hmmmm…..

    Nope my example is more civil and coherent. And actually names the site in question, and lays out the argument better.

    “tiny Tea Party brain” Really? Wow. That’s just a notch over “poopie head”.

    Yes Ron you’ve certainly shown who the more civil one is.

    And we have the Conservatives are either evil or stupid trope.

    “But I can’t believe responsible conservatives feel their “side” is the side of such embarrassing ignorance. Why are they not expresssing in print the private revulsion they must feel at the trashing of intellectual standards the Tea Party represents?”

    Also two tips. When you mock people for having “embarrassing ignorance” try not to misspell words in the preceding and following sentences (his not hs and expressing not expresssing). It’s quite laughable.

    Oh yes. I’d be careful quoting Ron Radosh.
    Given on his February 28th, 2010 7:22 pm post he says that Frank Rich is an embarrassment to the NYT for saying that Joseph Stack III is a Tea Partier.

    ” This time he goes after the tea party movement, and instead of a nuanced and balanced appraisal, he begins by trying to blame the murder suicide of Andrew Joseph Stack III, who flew his small plane into a building housing an IRS division in Austin, Texas, on Feb. 18th, on the new movement. Rich ignores what we know about Mr. Stack. He was furious about IRS rules that prohibited him from using knowledge he had as a software engineer to start his own business. In his rambling, sometimes incoherent letter, Stack attacks “organized religion” and different laws for the rich rather than the poor (standard leftist boilerplate), and goes after the late “neo-con” Senator Daniel P. Moynihan as his arch villain, all targets that distinguish him a great deal from today’s tea party advocates. George W. Bush, whom certainly Frank Rich did his share of attacking for months on end, is described by Stack as “the presidential puppet” of the rich who pull the strings.
    Tea partier indeed! ”

    Hey Ron, you think Stack’s a Tea Partier too.

    Comment by Jack — March 27, 2010 @ 6:34 pm | Reply

  3. Remind me again who are the thugs?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025940.php

    Huh. Well, I’m sure it’s all for the greater good.

    Comment by Jack — March 27, 2010 @ 7:04 pm | Reply

  4. Yeah, I bet those Tea Partiers think there are 57 states, think a breathalyzer is what you use to treat asthma, and think you pronounce the “p” in “corpsman.”

    They also probably think “value” begins with a “c.”

    Talk about ignorance…

    Comment by ConservativeWanderer — March 27, 2010 @ 8:40 pm | Reply

  5. ” But I think that the shocking irresponsibility of the people who exploit the stupidity of the gullible for commercial or other reasons has to be taken into account. . By encouraging idiocy like “Obama is a communist”, encouraging the propagation of the crude and ignorant views of the Tea Partiers, they must know they are debasing and devaluing genuine political debate in America, abandoning intellectual and moral standards and responsibility and shaming themselves.

    What I still would like to know is when the conservatives on this site and others, people I have respected for their intellectual sophistication even when I disagreed with their views. are going to speak out?”

    Why has it taken you so long to ask this very question? It’s been many months of you saying the Tea Parties are responsible from everything to Autism, to racism, to Presidential assassination threats. And yet, a mere four or five hours after an Ignorant Coward makes this post: http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2010/03/26/happy-about-this-tea-partiers/#comment-14 You write this.

    Hmmm…

    So despite the Tea Party being, in your view a big threat, you decide to tweak them for months, by your own admission, for your own amusement, instead of exposing them and their enablers earlier.

    What would have happened if, as you continually predict, the Tea Party had erupted into violence before your exposé? What if you could have stopped a tragedy but instead were too busy trolling here?
    And why do you do you ask your questions in such a coy way? Just say, “Roger L. Simon (who is not a conservative) et al have sold out all intellectually honesty to achieve commercial success by exploiting stupid angry people.”

    “more to say elsewhere about the valuable knowledge of the TP I’ve gained from being on this site.”
    Elsewhere? Hmm.

    Comment by Jack — March 27, 2010 @ 9:04 pm | Reply

  6. And when you stand up for the working class, the disenfranchised and the alienated, however misguided they may be, without insulting them, you have a chance to teach them and help them. Saul Alinksy understood that. It is not easy, but is is essential

    Comment by charlie finch — March 27, 2010 @ 9:06 pm | Reply

  7. Charlie Finch,

    Very true! But I remember the way Alinsky was demonized and rejected by many of the working class people I grew up with in Chicago. Of course they ended up aiding their own class disenfranchisement by the virulent racism that they directed toward Alinsky, Dr. King, and others who had their ultimate best interests in mind.

    That episode is why Alinsky has become so central to the Tea Partier demonology. Their whole mythos is utterly steeped in a history of racism, whether they know it or not–and I presume that a lot of them just don’t know enough history to realize it. (Some here have shown themselves to be very conscious as well, the hard core propagandists with race baiting in the toolkit.)

    The Tea Partiers of today will be much better served just hearing the brutal truth about themselves, including how they look to a serious guy like Ron Rosenbaum.

    Comment by Fred Mecklenburg — March 28, 2010 @ 2:41 am | Reply

  8. 7. Fred Mecklenburg,

    Reread what you just wrote. I think you will find why Saul Alinsky was rejected by the working class people you knew was not bigotry. Mr. Alinsky assumed he knew their best interests better than they did. He assumed they were stupid because they were working class. If you go into a situation assuming that someone isn’t smart enough to know their own interests then do not expect to be embraced by that person.

    Comment by James S. — March 28, 2010 @ 4:22 am | Reply

  9. As repugnant as the TPeers are, I would rather support them than Blankfein, Jaime Dimon, Dick Fuld and the other Wall Street criminals, who , in the old America of TR and FDR would now be behind bars. Ron seems no to care or be willing to study the way are elites spit on the lower classes, because he has too much invested, careerwise in their (the elites’) approval. Once again, I am right wing on Islamofascism and left wing on everything else (and where is Ron’s bloviating on the Obamaites disgraceful treatment of Israel; how the AIPAC audience could politely sit there and eat up Hillary Clinton’s grotesque, pandering speech is beyond me; too many liberal Dem pols, a few of whom I have worked for in the past, pay lip service to Israel, while privately complaining how uncomfortable the Jewish community and Israel make them), but Ron just beats his one note drum and ignores every other reality on this blog. Move on, Ron, bearbaiting and being baited in return is kindergarden stuff, bring out your mind, OK?

    Comment by charlie finch — March 28, 2010 @ 6:59 am | Reply

  10. Oh, dear. Poor, poor Ron. You’d really expect that a man of his manifest abilities would be able to come up with a new column, rather then simply recycling the same one over and over for two weeks. Even if his current Talking Points marching orders require him to keep beating the “Conservatives are stupid, racist and violent” drum, I’m sure if he tried he could come up with something a bit cleverer than the same tired invective repeated ad nauseam.

    Comment by Bohemond — March 28, 2010 @ 7:06 am | Reply

  11. One more thing: Ron has consistently ignored the thoughtful conservatives on this blog such as Delia, James S., Heather Mac and Bryan (who left), lumping them in with the “baiters”, which tells me that a) Ron doesn’t read the responses or b) he doesn’t care for thoughtful response from those who disagree with him or c) he just enjoys demagoguing with his idiot attackers. Why he hasn’t deliberately tipped his hat to the thoughtful commentators listed above is beyond me. THAT would be a constructive way to elevate the discourse, and, I’ll tell you (not to blow my own horn, who cares?, I am an egomaniac….) I have done a helluva alot more to try to elevate the discourse on Ron’s blog than he has!!

    Comment by charlie finch — March 28, 2010 @ 7:09 am | Reply

  12. I keep waiting for Mr. Rosenbaum to debate the ideas with which he disagrees but apparently this is all he is capable of.

    Here’s a hint, Mr. Rosenbaum: calling people names is not terribly persuasive. Don’t you think it’s time to engage in a more adult form of debate?

    No wonder so few respond. I imagine most have given up on Mr. Rosenbaum ever coming up with anything besides ad hominem arguments.

    Comment by Xanthippe — March 28, 2010 @ 7:40 am | Reply

  13. Yeah, it’s nuts, especially when Ron’s whole brilliant literary MO has been to assiduously lay out all sides of the argument (Shakespeare, the essence of Hitler, Kevorkian, Vlad the Imp Hailer) in Talmudic/Jesuitical detail. Here, he’s Glenn Beck with a brain! Go figure?

    Comment by charlie finch — March 28, 2010 @ 7:51 am | Reply

  14. Mr. Rosenbaum:

    Perhaps you should read Instapundit, whose blog is hosted here, just like yours is. Seems that the voters don’t really agree with your characterization of the Tea Party.

    I eagerly anticipate your reasoned (i.e. without ad hominem attacks) response to that poll’s findings.

    Comment by ConservativeWanderer — March 28, 2010 @ 9:38 am | Reply

  15. A quick look back over the recent unhinged posts by Ron Rosenbaum reveals a disturbing lexicon. The fact that he deploys this rhetoric in lock step with the myriad cadres of Leftist agitprop operatives working to advance Obama’s coup d’etat also exposes who the real thugs and ignoramuses are in this unfolding national crisis.

    Average Americans in the act of voicing their opposition to rampant government intrusions(under both Dem and Rep administrations), out of control Federal spending(under both Dem and Rep administrations), Federal failure to protect our borders (under both Dem and Rep administrations), and all manner of Federal corruption and coercion are referred to variously as: “ignoramuses”, “suckers”, “a mob of ignorant thugs”, “people who lack the education (and/or intelligence)”, “a national disgrace” “collection of ignorant, thuggish buffoons”, “spitting, slurring, mob”, “bullying bigots”. And voicing their Constitutional right in strong opposition of Obama’s radical un-American politics is referred to as: “vile hysteria”, “crude and ignorant views”, “grade school stupidity”, “standard Tea Party ignorance”, “pathetic ignorance”, “embarrassing ignorance”, “thuggery and stupidity”; the Tea Party itself is referred to as “this sick episode in American politics”.

    It is dangerous and disturbing to see those in control of the House, Senate, and the White House, along with their armies of useful tools in the media like Rosenbaum take frenzied aim at their opposition, and to use this kind of hysterical rhetoric. So who is ginning up the hatred? It looks to me like patriotic Americans are exhibiting the patience of Job when confronted with the frothing rage of the Democratic hate machine and its megaphones in the media.

    Comment by Morton Doodslag — March 28, 2010 @ 1:32 pm | Reply

  16. 8. James S.,

    No, the lives of those working class people ended up being devastated by factory closings, just like folks’ lives in Michigan, Pennsylvania, or wherever else. Jobs out, drugs in, alcoholism in, domestic abuse in… a story often told.

    The racist stuff is always the perfect smokescreen to get people opposing their own best interests. Unless you mean to tell me that beating up African Americans, casting racial slurs, burning effigies, and firebombing in the night is what is really in the best interests of white people. Because that’s what was happening. Not some kind of civil dialogue as you perhaps imagine.

    When Dr. King said he saw more hatred there than in the South, he knew what he was talking about. Alinsky was execrated as a “Jew Communist.”

    Comment by Fred Mecklenburg — March 28, 2010 @ 3:22 pm | Reply

  17. 16. Fred Mecklenburg,

    Ok, I lacked that bit of information (though I should have assumed some of it. You are talking about Chicago :)).

    However, what the people you are talking about probably felt was in their best interests was for the factories to either be replaced by other factories or not to close at all. I seriously doubt Alinsky was trying to do this. Nothing I have seen from his legacy shows any sort of support for the factory owners that supply the jobs for the workers. Turning the workers against the factory owners isn’t going to sell or improve the product the factory is making. If the factory isn’t making money then there is no reason to keep it open (Companies exist to make money not supply jobs. Jobs are a side effect of making money.) Creating conflict between labor and management is probably going to make an already bad situation worse.

    No, the racial beatings were not in the workers best interests. I have to agree there.

    As for calling Alinsky a “Jew Communist”, they were certainly half right. Alinsky always identified himself as Jewish. I’m really not interested in a debate about Alinsky being a communist right now. I’d prefer to arm myself with something more than Wikipedia for that :).

    Comment by James S. — March 28, 2010 @ 7:08 pm | Reply

  18. A terrorist like Ayers, a rabble rousing preacher like Wright, a slumlord like Rezko, a Baathist bagman like Auchi, who’s in bad company again. What does a retread German nationalist like Von Papen, who was delegated
    to envoy to Ankara for his troubles, have to do with this conversation.

    Are we to ignore the efforts of Cloward & Piven, and their efforts to exacerbate the fiscal crisis, to ‘collapse the system’ their words not hours, the commentary of Van Jones, Lloyd, Dunn, Stern, and Mao booster
    Bloom.

    Comment by narciso — March 28, 2010 @ 7:44 pm | Reply

  19. James S.,

    No, the point is people didn’t think about their own best interests at all. First they thought about keeping non-white people out of “their” neighborhoods and schools. Then they thought about how to stop Harold Washington from being elected Mayor of “their” Chicago–“Before it’s too late!”

    If anything, it would be interesting to compare how Alinsky was viewed when his organizing model benefited mainly working class white folks, in Back of the Yards, and how he was viewed when he took up the cause of open housing and civil rights. You’ll see how the current attacks on him are steeped in racism. And no one will ever be able to explain to me how a white person could possibly benefit from banning African Americans from living next door.

    Comment by Fred Mecklenburg — March 28, 2010 @ 9:49 pm | Reply

  20. Ron,

    You really hate the anti-government tea party movement with a passion. What gives?

    All the smokescreens about their intellects don’t wash–the typical tea partier is a bit more informed about the proper role of government than your typical brilliant Obama lover today.

    No, Ron, I suspect the source of your ire is the unmasking of your politics and those of your fellow travelers. No growth in statist governing classes and their leftists pals is too much for you, Ron. Your self image anoints you as the “intelligent” and “caring” among us who advocate a stronger role for all forms of government in seeking social justice for society’s least competitive souls. Anyone who points out the leviathan’s destructive ends must be stupid, and uneducated. And if large numbers come to believe that statism of the type you revere is bad for their lives and their children’s, they MUST be racist thugs.

    Your expansive view of the role of government won’t allow you to consider that it has already over-reached, and that you are on the wrong side. You stoop to using “ignorance” as the reason for voter anger, while there is ample supply of it amongst your political bedmates. Spare me your moralizing from the peak of learned enlightenment. I’ve read more history than you, I can assure you, and I side with the TP-ers seven days a week before I trust my government to be managed by caring thoughtful men such as yourself.

    Comment by tommytruffle — March 29, 2010 @ 7:29 am | Reply

  21. “When you lie down with dogs, you rise up with fleas.”

    Say Ron, Zombie has just done a great job of illustrating the kind of fleas you lie with.
    Pay close attention to the pictures, especially the one with suggestions for Jews.
    Remember, Ron: SILENCE = APPROVAL!!!
    YOUR WORDS, RON.

    Now go eat them.

    Or perhaps that picture really does represent one of your core beliefs. Personally, I think it does. After all, silence equals approval, isn’t that right, Ron?

    Comment by Robert F — March 30, 2010 @ 4:28 am | Reply

  22. P.S. Compared to respectable commentators, your comment tally remains in the toilet. All your tea party screeds added together don’t match the respect and attention that a good VDH article gets. Why aren’t the trolls coming to your aid? Perhaps they don’t like your silent approval of your fleas*, either?
    *see Zombie’s latest.

    Comment by Robert F — March 30, 2010 @ 4:35 am | Reply

  23. Tommy @ 20:

    I can assure you, and I side with the TP-ers seven days a week before I trust my government to be managed by caring thoughtful men such as yourself.

    I, personally, side with the late great William F. Buckley. I’d rather be governed by the first 100 names in the local phone book than 100 professors from the local college.

    Comment by ConservativeWanderer — March 30, 2010 @ 5:16 am | Reply

  24. “A Trip Down Memory Lane”

    Yes, it’s really the Tea Party that’s off the rails.

    Comment by Jack — March 31, 2010 @ 2:43 pm | Reply

  25. Oh, ho!

    Mr. Rosenbaum no longer appears on the list of PajamasXpress blogs, either the sidebar or the drop-down at the top of the page.

    One wonders what that means for Mr. Rosenbaum’s future here…

    Comment by ConservativeWanderer — April 1, 2010 @ 3:29 pm | Reply

  26. CW. On reflection, I think this section has the tell:

    “Still I’ve enjoyed the unique insight into the tiny Tea Party brain commenters here have given me and will have more to say elsewhere about the valuable knowledge of the TP I’ve gained from being on this site.”

    I suppose it fits. Once again Mr. Rosenbaum is less than forthright and has projected his own fears onto the Tea Party.

    Note how recently he was crowing about the “death” of the Tea Party?

    What can you expect from a man that loves to call his opponents brainwashed, ignorant, emotional, ignorant, paranoid, cowards?

    If this is the end, it’s not with a bang but with a whimper.

    Fitting.

    Comment by Jack — April 1, 2010 @ 5:15 pm | Reply


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