Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

March 19, 2010

From Forbes: "The Misinformed Tea Party Movement"

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 7:42 am

I’ve enjoyed my dialogue with the Tea Party because it’s given me an opportunity to confront them with their ignorance and see how they react (usually with more, crude, barely literate, ignorance, judging by the cowardly anonymous commenters) .). How to you deal with people so resolutely close minded. Well, you could pity them but that’s difficult because they’re generally so cruel and crude to others, like the guy with Parkinson’s Disease they ridiculed in the video linked to in my last post.

Or you could try to confront them with the facts that demonstrate their ignorance as Forbes conservative columnist Bruce Bartlett does in this startling piece of reporting on actual Tea Partiers’ embarrassing ignorance on the issue they claim for their own: taxes.

Here’ s just a sample of the ignorance a sampling of Tea Party demonstrators demonstrated just last weekend in their sad, sparsely attended “March on Washington”. And remember this comes from a well-known conservative columnist in a well known conservative media outlet:

“Tea Partiers also seem to have a very distorted view of the direction of federal taxes. They were asked whether they are higher, lower or the same as when Barack Obama was inaugurated last year. More than two-thirds thought that taxes are higher today, and only 4% thought they were lower; the rest said they are the same.

As noted earlier, federal taxes are very considerably lower by every measure since Obama became president. And given the economic circumstances, it’s hard to imagine that a tax increase would have been enacted last year. In fact, 40% of Obama’s stimulus package involved tax cuts. These include the Making Work Pay Credit, which reduces federal taxes for all taxpayers with incomes below $75,000 by between $400 and $800.”

Read it Tea Partiers, See if you don’t feel a little ashamed at your fellow TPers’ gross misinformation about your big issue. Are you guilty of the same ignorance? Perhaps if some of you who know how, would read–and research–rather than spew spittle-flecked slogans you might learn something.

What I can’t understand is how any intelligent person would want to be associated with this kind of ignorance.

I’m just here to help lead you back to the real world so you won’t regret making a spectacle of yourselves with your misinformation and your association with one of the most egregiously ignorant movements in American politics. It’s a service! Someday you’ll thank me.

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17 Comments »

  1. Your ignorance truly knows no bonds ron….

    Forgbes is very clear in that the Tea partier answers were current depending on how you define taxes/tax credits/etc/etc/etc.

    Only a lawyer would be able to come up with the “right” answers that you “want”.

    Comment by robotech master — March 19, 2010 @ 8:13 am | Reply

  2. “I’ve enjoyed my dialogue with the Tea Party because it’s given me an opportunity to confront them with their ignorance and see how they react (usually with more, crude, barely literate, ignorance, judging by the cowardly anonymous commenters) .).”

    Wow. Punctuation errors right in the aside that you mock someone’s literacy. Is this deliberate? Also I don’t think you quite realize what dialog means. What we have here is you ranting, and then you being mocked.

    And I note that you have a “dialog” with the “cowardly anonymous commenters,” instead of a dialog with say Steven Green, Glen Reynolds or Roger L. Simon. Yes, it’s clear who the cowards are.

    “What I can’t understand is how any intelligent person would want to be associated with this kind of ignorance.”

    Shame, you don’t actually ask one of your coworkers. Plenty of PJM writers seem rather bright. Write an open letter to Roger L. Simon. Challenge his position. Enter a debate with him, or anyone else on PJM.

    “I’m just here to help lead you back to the real world so you won’t regret making a spectacle of yourselves with your misinformation and your association with one of the most egregiously ignorant movements in American politics. It’s a service! Someday you’ll thank me.”

    Coming from the man that thinks that the Tea Parties will cause more Autism cases and that President Obama deserves a Peace Prize for nuclear arms reductions (Iran? Anyone?).

    Amazingly there’s no new demands or declarations of racism, from Ron. So that’s progress.

    And misinformation, given that the Tea Party fear is that taxes will go up, but Ron’s evidence is on par with “Obama said 95% of you rednecks would get tax cuts so shut up.”

    Shame Ron won’t get into an actual dialog, or actually challenge his coworkers.

    Guess, he cares more about towing the line for a Tea Party enabling organization than upholding his own beliefs.

    Comment by Jack — March 19, 2010 @ 8:22 am | Reply

  3. “Of course, it’s hard to know what any particular individual or family pays in taxes, ”

    baffle them with bullfeces no?

    Comment by newrouter — March 19, 2010 @ 8:47 am | Reply

  4. Jonah Goldberg today. http://article.nationalreview.com/428471/an-american-divide/jonah-goldberg
    “It’s not hard to see why so many liberals today take one look at the vast gatherings of decent, middle-class Americans known as tea parties and instantly think, “Fascists!” Never mind that fascists, properly understood, don’t usually demand less government intervention.

    What we have here is a fundamental conflict of visions, to borrow a phrase from Thomas Sowell. One side believes that people are born into their station in life and that it is the government’s job to make their miserable lives a little better. Indeed, it is the natural order of things for the government to provide jobs, health care, and homes to the people. If you object to this concept of government, it must be because you want to “punish” the downtrodden and discriminated. You must be animated by racism, sexism, greed — “fascism!” “

    This bit made me laugh. Ron’s covered all those bases.

    Comment by Jack — March 19, 2010 @ 8:47 am | Reply

  5. Ron confuses a “refundable tax credit” with a genuine tax cut, and ignores the massive increase in business taxes, and pretends that Obama’s insane borrowing is not taxation deferred- and then dares call others ignorant?

    I’m sure he also believes that Obamacare will reduce the deficit. And yet he thinks himself intelligent!

    I fear Ron is just another snotty little academic elitist who can barely contemplate us flyover people without puking up his tangyu steak. The people are revolting.

    Ron is a perfect example of an “intellectual” as Mencken defined the word, perjoratively: a person with some sort of attainment in one field who believes on that basis he is qualified to pronounce on everything. Unfortunately, a degree in English and a pretty good book on Shakespeare are no sort of foundation for comments on political economy or sociology, or hate-filled contemptuous rants against the American taxpaying peasantry.

    Someday, Ron, we will laugh at you. Yes, mock and deride you joyously, as you cry and whimper over the destruction of the socialist worker’s paradise scheme you and your leftist co-conspirators have plotted against us for so very long.

    Comment by Bohemond — March 19, 2010 @ 8:54 am | Reply

  6. Ron, you are fast degrading from amusing to disgusting. While conservatives speak in terms of deficits, runaway taxes, and bloated bureaucracies, you remain in the gutter with name-calling:
    “ignorance”…
    ” crude, barely literate, ignorance”…
    ” cowardly anonymous commenters”…
    “close minded”….
    “so cruel and crude to others”
    ” demonstrate their ignorance”…
    ” embarrassing ignorance .
    “sample of the ignorance”
    “sad, sparsely attended “March on Washington”. (Here, you must have been seeing one of those “Coffee Party” flops.) Although by your standards( or lack thereof), a few washed up liberals crying in their starbucks is an astounding success.
    Your own words condemn you, Ron, and reveal just what kind of ignorant human being you really are.
    I chose ignorant to describe you because your vocabulary is clearly limited. Buy yourself a thesaurus and at least add some variety to your hate filled drivel.

    Comment by robert F — March 19, 2010 @ 9:12 am | Reply

  7. You may be full of it but I still think My Favorite Martian was terrific. I’m a little confused as to why you’ve changed your name from Ray to Ron, however.

    Comment by Thomas_L...... — March 19, 2010 @ 9:28 am | Reply

  8. “usually with more, crude, barely literate, ignorance, judging by the cowardly anonymous commenters”

    I am not anonymous. I say you are a fool at best.

    You are unintelligent, uneducated, or you are evil.

    Comment by Tom Perkins — March 19, 2010 @ 10:52 am | Reply

  9. 2 or even 3 out of the 3 is a distinct posibility.

    Comment by Tom Perkins — March 19, 2010 @ 10:53 am | Reply

  10. Are we sure that this is the same guy who wrote “Explaining Hitler”? That was an objective, intelligent analysis of a complex and controversial subject. The current writer couldn’t make an objective analysis of anything, what with all the smug polemics and the snide references to how those who disagree with him are stupid. The first would have minced the second into little pieces in 10 pages or so, and had you shaking your head. Next we’ll start reading snide references to Sarah Palin’s baby or something, followed by sanctimonious observations of what rubes we are for agreeing with someone somewhere who said something objectionable.

    Comment by DavidN — March 19, 2010 @ 12:07 pm | Reply

  11. To 10. DavidN

    Ghostwriters work cheap…

    Comment by robotech master — March 19, 2010 @ 1:28 pm | Reply

  12. Karen Miner Hurd wrote this in an ezine article about the Tea Party movement:

    The absolutely amazing thing about the entire Tea Party Movement, which has grown exponentially, is the unity and deep conviction of those involved. The Tea Party movement is drawing people from all political stripes, social causes, and income brackets. It is drawing people who have never participated in any kind of political or grassroots movement before. What we have in common, and what holds us together, is a very deep love for the uniqueness of the United States of America, a desire for the limited government that our Founding Fathers created, a fairly “strict” interpretation of the Constitution, a belief in capitalism and free enterprise and a strong sense of personal responsibility. Tea Party Movement people are feeling an urgency. They are sensing that we must take action NOW, not next year. There is a general sense among the majority of Tea Party people that both major parties are to blame, neither were fully responsive to voters and that it’s time to clean house.

    The Tea Party Movement is not endorsing one particular solution, candidate or party. We know that there are many good ideas out there, and excellent people behind them. We know that some groups have worked on these issues in a formal way for years, and perhaps feel that the Tea Party movement is eclipsing their efforts. That is not the intention of the Tea Party Movement at all. We are choosing to “major on the majors”. That is the strength and the power of the Tea Party movement. It won’t matter if it’s fair tax, no tax or flat tax if our country is bankrupted. It won’t matter if you want the Federal Reserve abolished if Congress keeps appropriating power for itself, and voters are ignored. It won’t matter how you feel about the federal funding for abortion, or the Marriage Amendment if our government usurps power and does not reverse its current path, your voice will have little impact.

    We see ourselves as serving as a springboard for the people. We are a starting point. We are a powerful voice saying to all elected officials – local, regional, state and federal – “the government belongs to US the VOTER, the taxpayer, not you”. The incredible, laser-like power of the Tea Party movement is the lack of factions. We cannot be ignored. Even the framers of the Constitution chose to set aside some issues, (like the issue of slavery) at the time in order to focus on the foundational issue – the founding of a constitutional democracy.

    The issues and ideas that are at the core of the Tea Party movement:

    1) All forms of government must abide by the boundaries set forth in state and federal constitutions.

    2) All pork and earmarks in the stimulus, omnibus bills, and bailouts must be reversed and repealed. The national budget must be balanced. Spending cuts, not increased taxation should be used to balance the budget.

    3) Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness implies personal responsibility, not handouts, free-enterprise and capitalism, not government controlled economies. Some people choose to be irresponsible (and of course some fall on hard times due to circumstances), but it is not the responsibility of the general public, vis-a-vis government intervention, to guarantee or bailout irresponsibility and failure. Private individuals and organizations give out of compassion and generosity, not compulsion through taxation. laws, and pork barrel projects.

    4) ALL elected and appointed officials are under the employment and serve at the will of We the People.

    5) Excessive tax burdens kill prosperity.

    6) Excessive national debt is generational theft, and stealing the future of our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

    7) Neither major political party is “clean” on these issues. Both Democrats and Republicans have taxed excessively and neither have restrained the hand of government effectively. There are certainly individual representatives who have been faithful to their constituents and to the Constitution. However, too many are engaged in protecting their congressional positions and turf. The majority of government officials have insulated themselves from the people they serve, and hold themselves above the law. We are simply saying, “No, you aren’t above the law”.

    8 ) The American public at large is ignorant of the purpose of government, the founding documents such as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers. As a result, they allow politicians to sell them false hope and “rights” and “entitlements” that are not guaranteed by the Constitution. By educating the American people on the foundations of our history, we hope to bring sanity to the election and legislative processes.

    9) As a group, we are appalled at the audaciousness and arrogance of our government in the last few years, particularly the proposals and bills passed in the last few months, despite massive public disapproval.

    —————————————————-

    Leftists can call the Tea partiers ignorant, uncaring racists but why bother?

    If you want to see some ignorance from your (of course you don’t, but, I feel like sharing) side then look no further than a sampling of the people who put 0bama in the presidency:

    Comment by Delia — March 19, 2010 @ 1:42 pm | Reply

  13. Yes sir, the way to prove your argument that the Tea Party folks are stupid is to go and pull aside a couple of ignorant boobs who may not know a whole lot and then use them to cast a wide net on the entire movement. Tell me something, Mr. Rosenbaum, why were you against the war in Iraq? Was it because we were trying to establish an empire in the Middle East? Is it because we were beholden to the “neoconservatives” (read, Jews) who have established a strong lobby here in the U.S.? Was it because of the evil corporations Halliburton and the security outfit known as Blackwater so that we can feed the capitalist machine? Did we do it because we needed the oil? Do you think “Bush lied, they died”? You see, lots of Lefties believe these things, yet they are based on profound ignorance. In fact, dare I say that the majority of the entire Left believes these things and yet I don’t think that makes them all ignoramuses. You should know better than to cast a wide aspersion. After all, isn’t it the Left who says we should value the diversity of all, even those with which we disagree?

    Comment by Chris Bolts Sr. — March 19, 2010 @ 8:25 pm | Reply

  14. 13. Chris Bolt Sr.

    While they talk about the diversity of ideas, the left really doesn’t “allow” you to disagree with them. Ron’s columns are a good example of this.

    James Schardt
    Anonymous Coward

    P.S. Sorry Ron. I forgot to misspell something so you would know I’m not intellectual enough for my opinion to be respected.

    Comment by James S. — March 20, 2010 @ 3:43 am | Reply

  15. Darn I guess I’ve missed the whole point of these Tea Parties I’ve been going to (with my BA and MBA).

    Most of the people there seemd to know that taxes are the secondary effect of run away spending. Spending so out of control that nobody blinks anymore when we use the word “trillions” to describe our debt or the cost of healthcare.

    As for taxes – Ron thinks we should be happy with a microspic rebate for a narrow slice of the population. Meanwhile, everyone gets a massive tax hike next year and another is healthcare is passed.

    Comment by Old Soldier — March 20, 2010 @ 5:35 am | Reply

  16. Amazing. Utterly amazing.

    Ron, you sure do throw a lot of nasty comments around, doncha? A lot of hot air (bad for global warming, that) without any substance at all. And I do mean none.at.all.

    You’re one seriously hostile person, but you come off as a moonbat with more than a few axes that need grinding.

    Frankly, the more you rant about Tea Parties, the more I get the impression you’re scared sh.i.tless of these people. The “TP’ers” as you call them are all around you. They’re everywhere. You can’t run. You can’t hide. We’re out to get you.

    That ought to be enough to have you soiling your trousers while you look for boogey-men under the beds.

    I read your drivel for the amusement factor….it’s funny to watch a lib self destruct!

    Comment by faultolerant — March 20, 2010 @ 6:17 am | Reply

  17. I’m sure glad I read Ron’s latest article. He makes ruddy good points, even if they’re completely cherry picked. But don’t get too overwrought Ron – it looks like you need to watch your bloomin’ blood pressure. Stay in the pink, old chap! Better red than dead, right?

    Speaking of the ruby flow, your flamingly brilliant and full blooded arguments are like rubrics pointing to profound truths about the TP. Red-hot stuff, that. I blush in shame that I ever bought into their rusty old ideas, being all ignorant and illiterate and such (BTW you have some rather florid examples of misplaced commas, misused paretheses, and generally bad grammar in your article, just thought I’d try to help…). Those bad TPers sure ‘nuf deserve to have their heads stoven in by bricks, doncha think Ron? That would be peachy. Rosy even.

    It’s hot watching you get all engorged, blowzy and flammulated on this topic.

    Comment by Morton Doodslag — March 20, 2010 @ 9:06 am | Reply


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