Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

February 28, 2010

An Interesting Comment on Comments

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 2:48 pm

One of the first and best lessons about journalism, is one I learned from Nat Hentoff and the late Jack Newfield at the Village Voice. (Newfield spent decades crusading to get child-poisoning lead out of the paint in New York City public schools and housing before getting a strict law passed. You know the kind of evil regulation that represents tyranny to the Tea Partiers) )

Just keep at it, they’d say. Don’t let them of the hook. It’s not really my style or practice, I tend to jump from one subject to another but every once in a while I do find something to pre occupy me.

I haven’t felt that way about anything for a whle as I do, for instance about the Tea Partiers, the new Know Nothngs of our time.(look it up, Tea Partiers) the more you criticize them the more you learn about them, specifically how much in favor of the Consitution they supposedly are, until you use your First Amendment rights to criticize them. That’s one thing blogging allows: you can pursue a subject over time–not just in one story–pursue something until you’ve nailed it.

And I’ve made a point of a running commentary on blog commentary as well since it seems such a toxic social dynamic in the blogosphere as a whole. Anonymous abusive commenter cowards may not realize in what contemt theyre held in wdening circles of the blogosphere. I’m proud to have done my part.

Still, I don’t know if I agree with what Prof..Jeffrey Weintraub wrote in his blog about comments.Sure the can be so ignorant and repulsive they can mamke you e think human nature, nonetheless I think they’re very revealing, especially the ones by anonymous abusive cowards who can’t help showing the ugly, twisted mask of fear and hatred beneath their anonymity. But others, like Weintraub disagree. And it would probably good for some commenters to see how others see them, not just me.

So here’s his opening:

” Tuesday, February 16, 2010
Why I have never been tempted to activate the “comments” feature on my blog
Perhaps I’m being unfair or excessively finicky to say this, but my impression from reading blogs for almost a decade is that, as a general rule, the “comments” threads on most blogs tend to be dominated by junk that is useless at best–and often worse than that, since it’s common for them to fill up with mindless ranting and vituperation. There are occasional exceptions, and some blogs with well-established constituencies even manage to generate intelligent discussions in the “comments” threads. But, even for those blogs, keeping things from getting out of hand usually requires persistent and draconian policing of the “comments” to weed out postings and posters that go over the line (trolls, obsessives, bigots, conspiracy theorists, outright loonies, and so on). That strikes me as more time-consuming than it’s worth, though I can appreciate why other bloggers might feel differently.”

Something to keep in mind.

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16 Comments »

  1. Ron, can’t you disable comments on PJM?

    P.S. C’mon, I dedicated my first page to you: Angel aka Delia’s New Website coming soon

    Comment by Delia — February 28, 2010 @ 3:55 pm | Reply

  2. Ron, are you saying that when someone comments under one of your columns and says “Ron, you sound like an idiot” they are somehow infringing on your rights? I really don’t think that’s how the First Amendment works. You are still free to say what you like in your next column and ignore what the poster (Annonymous Coward as you like to call them) said. Honestly, you often come off sounding like the Constitutional Peasant in “Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail”.

    As for your comment on the Tea Partiers, why don’t you just call them racists. It would be more honest of you and probably more accurate to what you are thinking. (I know what the Know Nothings are, but I don’t want to spoil Ron’s fun in having us look it up. BTW there is an “i” in Nothing, Ron. Keep spelling like that and we might think you are a conservative)

    James Schardt
    Anonymous Coward

    Comment by James S. — February 28, 2010 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  3. “Just keep at it, they’d say. Don’t let them of the hook. It’s not really my style or practice, I tend to jump from one subject to another but every once in a while I do find something to pre occupy me.”

    So that means we’re gonna get more of the Tea Partiers make kids sick meme?

    “(Newfield spent decades crusading to get child-poisoning lead out of the paint in New York City public schools and housing before getting a strict law passed. You know the kind of evil regulation that represents tyranny to the Tea Partiers)”

    Yup!

    “I haven’t felt that way about anything for a whle as I do, for instance about the Tea Partiers, the new Know Nothngs of our time.(look it up, Tea Partiers) the more you criticize them the more you learn about them, specifically how much in favor of the Consitution they supposedly are, until you use your First Amendment rights to criticize them. That’s one thing blogging allows: you can pursue a subject over time–not just in one story–pursue something until you’ve nailed it.”

    And you can’t even spell Know Nothings or while? Oh man, it’ll be fun the next time you mock the spelling of the “anonymous cowards”

    So, now you’ve gone with the Tea Parties are anti-free speech meme?
    Based on what? As James S. says people mocking you isn’t anti-free speech. Even people saying you should be fired from PJM isn’t anti-free speech.

    Yeah Ron, you’ve nailed it.

    “And I’ve made a point of a running commentary on blog commentary as well since it seems such a toxic social dynamic in the blogosphere as a whole. Anonymous abusive commenter cowards may not realize in what contemt theyre held in wdening circles of the blogosphere. I’m proud to have done my part.”

    Except for go to a comment system that only allows non-anonymous comments. Like you said here. http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2010/02/07/a-drivers-license-for-anonymous-cowards/

    So by do your part you mean… post these rants. Which are decaying even more in spelling: contemt, theyre, wdening. Again it’ll be fun the next time you mock the spelling of the “anonymous cowards”

    Yes sir, no coward you.

    Comment by Jack — February 28, 2010 @ 6:04 pm | Reply

  4. Ron don’t you know you need your editor to approve your pieces before hand…. because you suck even with a spell checker…

    “Don’t let them of the hook.”

    Its OFF ron OFF…

    “something to pre occupy me.”

    Missing something maybe….

    “about anything for a whle as I do”

    awhile….?

    “the new Know Nothngs of our”

    I did look it up… couldn’t find it… maybe because YOU FREAKING FORGOT THE I….

    “Anonymous abusive commenter cowards may not realize in what contemt theyre held in wdening circles of the blogosphere. I’m proud to have done my part.”

    O come on this is just pathetic on so many freaking levels….spellcheck for the love of god ron spellcheck and take your pills.

    “Still, I don’t know if I agree with what Prof..Jeffrey Weintraub wrote in his blog about comments.Sure”

    1 period ron… ONE Do you know what a space bar is RON DO YOU?

    “the can be so ignorant and repulsive they can mamke you e think human nature,”

    SPELL FREAKING CHECK DUDE COME ON…. and the first “the” is suppose to be “they”? and “you e” wtf over? is that suppose to be “you even think about human nature,”?

    See how much fun were having… anyone can be a grammar nazi tool just like you ron… o the fun I had pointing out that you typed trader instead of traitor… omg your such a retard for doing that…

    “I had to laugh out loud at the ignoramus who tried to call him a “traitor” but couldn’t spell it, so ended up calling him a “trader”. Ouch! A perfect demonstration of the level of intelligence exhibited by these people.”

    I hear those guys over at realclimate.org are looking for another mod with your superior mind to keep those stupid ignoramuses from telling them that global warming is fake…. maybe you should apply…just saying…

    Look at me everyone i’m ron rosenbaum the grammar nazi and I’ve come to call you stupid because you misspelled a few words more so when you may have been typing ON YOUR MOBILE FREAKING PHONE….douchebag.

    Comment by robotech master — February 28, 2010 @ 6:37 pm | Reply

  5. RM. Here’s a fun bit of symmetry.

    Ron recently sourced two things (which unlike his other rants acutally happened):

    1) Ron Radosh posted about something very stupid that conservative Rob Port did.

    2) Once again the NYT is his by incompetence and scandal.

    Now take the most recent post by Ron Radosh.
    http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2010/02/28/the-deranged-frank-rich-an-embarassment-to-a-once-great-newspaper/

    “This time he goes after the Tea Party movement, and instead of a nuanced and balanced appraisal, he begins by trying to blame the murder suicide of Andrew Joseph Stack III, who flew his small plane into a building housing an IRS division in Austin, Texas on Feb. 18th, on the new movement. Rich ignores what we know about Mr. Stack. He was furious about IRS rules that prohibited him from using knowledge he had as a software engineer to start his own business. In his rambling, sometimes incoherent letter, Stack attacks “organized religion,” different laws for the rich rather than the poor (standard leftist boilerplate), goes after the late “neo-con” Senator Daniel P. Moynihan as his arch villain, all targets that distinguish him a great deal from today’s Tea Party advocates. George W. Bush, whom certainly Frank Rich did his share of attacking for months on end, is described by Stack as “the presidential puppet” of the rich who pull the strings.

    Tea Partier indeed!”

    So very amusing.

    Comment by Jack — February 28, 2010 @ 6:43 pm | Reply

  6. PJM will be switching to a reg comment system. Which is good.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/comment-registration-begins-next-week/

    One wonders if Ron will claim credit for it. “I’m proud to have done my part.” Despite not mentioning it once.

    Or if he’ll consider it not stringent enough and continue ranting about how Anonymous Cowards and Tea Partiers are after his fillings (he’s never actually said what he considers nonanonymous: Real sounding username, password registered username, .gov ID verified username,…)

    Comment by Jack — February 28, 2010 @ 6:59 pm | Reply

  7. To 5. Jack

    The thing I find funny is ppl like ron(aka grammar nazis) are the lowest form of troll on the internet(I think 99% of ppl agree with this). Yet ron is whining about those “evil trolls” posting comments ON HIS BLOG o boo freaking who typical leftist loser…. “I have no facts to counter your argument and even talking to you is beneath so I will whine about your grammar/spelling and then claim victory”.

    Then he goes and writes a piece like this with this crap…

    “Anonymous abusive commenter cowards may not realize in what contemt theyre held in wdening circles of the blogosphere.”

    Talk about a self important douche does he ever take the time to consider how ppl VIEW HIM… instead of how he views himself(how he believe other SHOULD view him, etc)…. it just doesn’t stop with him I swear he’s in need of real medical help. I’m seeing all kinds of classic paranoid delusional schizophrenia symptoms from him… I may only have 6 psych classes and 40 hours of government training but man… he’s really on the border… maybe update his pic with a tin foil hat on the keep the evil tea party brainwashing waves from controlling his mind.

    Comment by robotech master — February 28, 2010 @ 7:06 pm | Reply

  8. @7. robotech master,

    I just hope 0bama’s eventual leftist, swirling into bad-witch meltdown is as obvious and just as harmless. 😉

    Comment by Delia — February 28, 2010 @ 7:14 pm | Reply

  9. To 8. Delia

    I hope so too… all I need is for his wife or some other family member to sue me after ron crashes his car into the drudge report’s server location and in his death note him saying “Those “Anonymous abusive commenter cowards” drove me to do this””.

    Try to jail me because I “made him do it” and “I should have known from my training that he was on the edge and not pushed him off it”… yeah I’d be sued for sure hehe.

    Comment by robotech master — February 28, 2010 @ 7:22 pm | Reply

  10. 9. robotech master,

    I actually like Ron. He has bad days like anyone. You big anon internet bully!

    *blows nose in sacred US flag burned by leftists and blots tears with the blood stained handkerchief of a million black baby killing abortionists*

    Comment by Delia — February 28, 2010 @ 8:15 pm | Reply

  11. Ron, I love you. I discovered why reading Jeremiah Chapter 15:

    I don’t go to parties

    and have a good time.

    Instead, I keep to myself,

    because you have filled me

    with your anger.

    Comment by Michael — February 28, 2010 @ 8:22 pm | Reply

  12. Rosenbaum quoting Jack Newfield:
    “…but my impression from reading blogs for almost a decade is that, as a general rule, the “comments” threads on most blogs tend to be dominated by junk that is useless at best–and often worse than that, since it’s common for them to fill up with mindless ranting and vituperation.”

    Which is how I would describe Mr. Rosenbaum’s writings about Republicans, the Tea Party People, and the Right.

    Comment by Gringo — March 1, 2010 @ 4:41 pm | Reply

  13. “as a general rule, the “comments” threads on most blogs tend to be dominated by junk that is useless at best–and often worse than that, since it’s common for them to fill up with mindless ranting and vituperation.”
    That also applies to the blogs as well. Let’s take a few words out: “as a general rule…most blogs tend to be dominated by junk that is useless at best–and often worse than that, since it’s common for them to fill up with mindless ranting and vituperation.”

    Comment by Talnik — March 2, 2010 @ 5:52 pm | Reply

  14. It’s pretty funny. One time you can write something, and it is a “comment.” Might be good, bad or indifferent but it’s still a normal human thing. But by the twentieth time I read the same thing I get the distinct impression of a dog marking its territory.

    Just leaving it’s acridity there for all the world to regard. Know what I mean, Jack? “robotech master”? Or is it just that Ron brings out the best in you?

    Comment by Fred Mecklenburg — March 3, 2010 @ 2:31 pm | Reply

  15. To 14. Fred Mecklenburg

    Your really going to try to defend the grammar nazi that is ron…

    I belong to many forums some pay some free…. in all, no troll is more hated and considered the lowest form of writer then those that play the grammar nazi to try to win their argument through that means…no facts, no debate, no anything worth reading…. just drool, shit and piss everywhere…

    Ron is not just a troll he is the lowest form of all trolls and as such it is not only within the community members right to counter troll but it is really there duty to ensure that all that pass by understand that a truly foul stench emits from the bellows of the person known as Ron Rosenbaum. He is the textbook definition of the “toxic social dynamic in the blogosphere as a whole”…

    Don’t be angry because we throw shit and piss under ron’s bridge…. for that is merely what he spreads everywhere when he leaves from under his home… nothing but crapping and pissing all over the place without a care in the world… Ron can be angry because we get some shovels, collect it and then go under his bridge and return it to him… but someday he may understand why he’s getting shovels full of shit and piss thrown around under his bridge…. we’re only returning what he has given us…

    Comment by robotech master — March 3, 2010 @ 11:03 pm | Reply

  16. Here’s an interesting interview with Teresa Neilsen Hayden and John Scalzi which touches repeatedly on comments, in the context of building strong web communities:

    http://www.asaecenter.org/PublicationsResources/ANowDetail.cfm?ItemNumber=47920

    Comment by Tyrone Slothrop — March 5, 2010 @ 9:28 am | Reply


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