Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

February 19, 2010

Now the Violence of Town Hall/Tea Party Rhetoric Has Infected Previously Sane Republicans

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 2:08 pm

It’s beginning to look like a contest to see who can sound more thuggish.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty tells CPAC that he wants to take a nine iron and “smash the windows” of Big Government. Just a day after Scott Brown laughs off the murderous airborne attack on a government building by saying “nobody likes to pay taxes”. Ha ha. Tell it to the dead man’s family Scott. See if they laugh. Oklahoma City must have been a big yuk for these guys.

It sounds like the Tea Party endorses, tolerates or just gets a laugh out of the rhetoric of criminal violence.

And don’t try to make the Austin plane crash guy a lefty, He was anti-Bush because he was anti-politician of all persuasions (read his manifesto: Pat Moynihan his bete noire was a Dem). He was anti government as intrinsically evil. Just like the extremists in the Town Hall/Tea Party movement. Except when it comes to taking medicare handouts from Big Government. Then they’re “a handful of ‘gimme’, a mouthful of ‘much obliged’.”

I’ve seen the violence in blog commenters (anonymous cowards of course) defending the right to take guns to Town Halls. Nobody (or hardly anybody) disputes the right to do it , it’s the (lack of any sane) judgment. Children present and all that. But no… more important to show what a big man you are, gun-toter.

It’s just a matter of time before this kind of window-smashing, gun toting, government-is evil rhetoric turns into more violence against fellow citizens. Don’t say I didn’t predict it.



  1. Oopps…

    I assumed, because of the company you keep here at PJMedia, you might have something…I dunno…intelligent to say.

    My bad.

    This was the last of your BS I’ll waste time on. I won’t be alone.

    Don’t say I didn’t predict it…

    Comment by Ragspierre — February 19, 2010 @ 3:01 pm | Reply

  2. Ron, I worry about your sanity. You’ve got a real hostility problem there.

    Comment by ahem — February 19, 2010 @ 3:12 pm | Reply

  3. Ron_

    You’ve overstayed your welcome. You produce nothing now but incoherent tantrums, raging in spittle-flecked hatred.

    Why don’t you bugger off from PJM and go join your fellow outpatients at HuffPo,Democratic Underground or Kos?

    Trying to link the Austin kamikaze to the Tea Party movement places you in that class of derangement and beyond the pale of ratinal politial discourse. Shameful.

    I will no longer give your vitriolic tripe the hits. Buh-bye.

    Comment by Bohemond — February 19, 2010 @ 3:19 pm | Reply

  4. 🙄

    Comment by Delia — February 19, 2010 @ 3:24 pm | Reply

  5. Mr Rosenbaum how do you feel writing and working for a company that aids and supports this movement you think has caused and will cause more violence?

    For example, Pajamas just opened a new Tea Party specific video site.

    If the Tea parties really are such a clear danger why are you writing for an organization that is supporting and doing its best to paint them positively?

    Why aren’t you calling out the CEO of Pajamas Media Roger L. Simon and other Pajamas Editors for supporting such organizations?

    If any readers have a problem with Mr. Rosenbaum’s content I suggest using the Contact Us form.

    Please remember to be more civil in your complaints than Mr Rosenbaum is towards you.

    Comment by Jack — February 19, 2010 @ 4:49 pm | Reply

  6. And here’s the cap to the rank intellectual dishonesty that Ron commits.

    Ron says:

    “And don’t try to make the Austin plane crash guy a lefty, He was anti-Bush because he was anti-politician of all persuasions (read his manifesto: Pat Moynihan his bete noire was a Dem). He was anti government as intrinsically evil. Just like the extremists in the Town Hall/Tea Party movement.”

    Now he tells people to read the manefesto.


    What about this passage?

    “Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.”

    Huh. That doesn’t sound very Tea Party.
    It sounds like Stack was bemoaning a lack of speed towards enacting healthcare “reform”.

    But why let such details get in the way with Ron’s agenda.

    Comment by Jack — February 19, 2010 @ 6:25 pm | Reply

  7. Ron… please take your meds… PLEASE.

    Also I find it funny how you have time to write about this but haven’t said anything about all your boys demanding that obama go all gangsta on the repubs….

    As for austin its nice that you pick and edit out of 3,000 words and twist what is clearly a lefty borderline commie into some kind of right winger….

    Once again please take your meds you were told to take them for a reason(because you’ve gone completely off the sane train).

    “It’s just a matter of time before this kind of window-smashing, gun toting, government-is evil rhetoric turns into more violence against fellow citizens. Don’t say I didn’t predict it.”

    I predict it as well… of course anyone who knows a little bit of history say about germany in the 1930s or russia in the 20-40s could have predicted the government killing massive amounts of ppl too… its what always happens when leftwingers gain enough control that they can/think they can seize complete power…

    Lets just hope that someday a college course is setup to review your work to say “look at how this leftwinger power hungry crazy guy tries to justify his hate and bigotry and his pro-genocide views”.

    Comment by robotech master — February 19, 2010 @ 7:56 pm | Reply

  8. Robotech master, you think the Nazis were on the left? Ask Skeletar and the other Transformers: Fascism is the extreme right. Words are representational. You can’t just say anything. Speech isn’t abstract art. Your political quips shouldn’t read like a Gertrude Stein poem. You are as illiterate as my pig farming ancestors in Sicily.

    I reluctantly concede Ron has a bit of monomania lately. But this is probably only temporary. And he has a point about the would-be, government imploding thugs on the right with their near violent contempt for the federal government. Like Sarah Palin. She is an obvious moron (I would hope we can all agree. I’m sorry to say, if you don’t, the joke is sort of on you, or the school system, or all of us, I guess), and since no one on the right gives a damn about government, she is an acceptable candidate. We can just install any imbecile at the head of the table. And why not? I mean…it’s only a demolition job. How hard could it be to push down the T-Shaped handle?

    Comment by Tim Rinaldi — February 19, 2010 @ 9:04 pm | Reply

  9. This is so great:

    Comment by Tim Rinaldi — February 19, 2010 @ 10:43 pm | Reply

  10. To 8. Tim Rinaldi

    lol dude your a joke to believe fascism is right wing… that is based solely on propaganda and poor education anyone with any science background or even someone who’s had sociology 101 can tell you fascism is a center to leftwing ideology(depending on how you define it and what stage its in)

    Being someone who is rightwing can not be a fascist period…. a pure individualist CAN NOT BE A COLLECTIVIST they are complete OPPOSITE ideologies.

    Learn some facts… hitler was a collectivist… stalin was a collectivist… stalin and hitler were basically the same(more so when you consider hitler 1945 and projected hitler 1950).

    Stop sucking done the propaganda and do some real research and base your views on science not propaganda.

    Comment by robotech master — February 19, 2010 @ 11:11 pm | Reply

  11. Heres a link to gangsta story which in the quote he very clearly is promoting violence targeted at the GOP.

    “Obama’s critics keep blasting him for Chicago-style politics. So, fine. Channel your inner Al Capone and go gangsta against your foes. Let ’em know that if they aren’t with you, they are against you, and will pay the price.”

    Yet ron whines about breaking the windows of the faceless government comment… please.

    Just for reference since some ppl in here(8. Tim Rinaldi) don’t know much about history Al Capone killed ppl when he went “gangsta” on them.

    As for 8. Tim Rinaldi

    I will be happy to teach you about fascism and sociology and you can try to debate me(you will lose) but try to keep it to science based arguments not politics and propaganda which it seems your whole world is based on.

    Comment by robotech master — February 19, 2010 @ 11:35 pm | Reply

  12. Where do you people come from? And what language do you speak? It is clearly not English.

    Where are these schools that teach fascism as a leftist ideology?

    A fascist government is all about installing corporations as the spine of its power and backing them up with a nationalistic, militaristic, and (usually) imperialistic trifecta of hateful support. Contrary to what Toby Keith or Glenn Beck or yer daddy might have taught you, extreme negative freedom (economic freedom) leads to monopolies and in the worst case scenario, fascism. Not this absurd idyll of libertarian bs that you seem to think lies at the end of the spectrum. Of course this stuff is actually un-mappable, un-scientific, and does not really fall on any spectrum: political science is mostly a con job that allows reified little monstrous abstractions to run wild on weak minds like yours. Most of the political thinkers worth a damn consider themselves political philosophers, unlike the strategic studies types. Don’t bandy about this collectivist nonsense in all caps like it actually means something.

    Comment by Tim Rinaldi — February 19, 2010 @ 11:48 pm | Reply

  13. Hahaha. Have fun with that one, you moron!

    Comment by Tim Rinaldi — February 19, 2010 @ 11:54 pm | Reply

  14. I have to confess I’m getting more and more disappointed with Ron. I read “Explaining Hitler” and thought it intelligent and well-reasoned, but articles like this make me think he’s losing it. Why, for instance, is it that this guy is a Tea Partier, because he was mad at the IRS, but he’s not an Obama supporter, even though he ranted in his manifesto about the failure of Congress to pass the fabled health care reform legislation? At the least the rant about health care should make anyone inclined to link him to the Tea Partiers to think twice; realistically, it should kill off any thought of a real connection. I’d guess that support for health care reform among the Tea Party crowd is probably close to nil. The kamikaze guy supported health care reform, therefore he’s not a Tea Party guy. End of story.

    As for the discussion of whether fascism is a liberal or conservative political system, the question is mostly academic. From a worm’s eye viewpoint, there really isn’t any difference between communism (which is a liberal system) and fascism (which is a conservative system). The differences are simple: under communism the government owns all manufacturing facilities, and shoots political opponents; under fascism, the government *controls* but doesn’t own the manufacturing facilities, and shoots political opponents. For those who care, socialism and communism are slightly different, also: communists throw bombs to gain control of a government, while socialists try to win elections; communists imagine the government “withering away” once they’ve established the perfect society, while socialists think the government controlling things is nirvana, and imagine the government micromanaging every aspect of life. Anyway, totalitarian governments have always had attractive aspects for those extreme enough to believe that Democracy or Republicanism can’t work, because people are flawed and can’t agree on anything. Somehow it never occurs to them that totalitarian governments are made up of people also, with the difference that the ability to shoot political opponents makes them infinitely more corrupt and less efficient. Various liberal commentators thought fascism (notably Mussolini’s Italy) was an “ideal” society in the 20s, and not a few conservatives felt that the Soviet Union was a good idea too (after all they controlled the unions and other riff-raff, in a way that Western governments couldn’t). So what? Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky agree with Pat Buchannan and Ron Paul that we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq. Does anyone think that makes either Zinn or Chomsky conservatives, or Paul and Buchannan liberals?

    Comment by DavidN — February 20, 2010 @ 3:22 am | Reply

  15. DavidN. Correct.

    It’s really hard to argue that a man angry at congress for *failing* to pass healthcare reform is a Tea Partier.

    Amusingly, by the membership-by-policy-agreement logic that Ron has engaged in the guy is closer to Ron himself on that score.

    Then again Ron hasn’t acutally articulated why and how the proposed healthcare reform will improve things. It’s much easier to use strawmen and vitriol against your opponents.

    As for fascism. It is corporatist. But one could make the argument that communism is (despite the ideological window dressing) effectively corporatist.

    Functionally what is the difference between Mikoyan-i-Gurevich Design Bureau and Krup?

    Both are large manufacturing concerns that are controlled by the government and both enriched those that helmed them.

    We see time and time again financial elites forming in communist societies that due to government monopoly of economic power have monopolistic controls and function as a financial oligarchy.

    How is this substantially different than the fascist corporate state?

    This is not even counting the pattern of totalitarian repression, imperial militarism, and institutional racism (see Maoist China and Russia or North Kora) that clouds both “International Socialism” and “National Socialism”.

    One can make the argument that they have divergent ideology. However they do have a common ancestor given Benito Mussolini did edited “The Future of the Worker” and “The Class Struggle”. There’s also his “Trento as seen by a Socialist”.

    So there is an ideological rooting between the to, and there’s the obvious functional similarity. Both Communism and Fascism when placed into action are extremely similar.

    The real danger of going too far to the right is not fasism per say, but two possible lobes. One is having a state-less state. See Somalia.

    The other is having a religious moralist government. This is a government where “corruption” is checked by making sure only people of good religious standing can run for office and giving a council of clerics veto power. Needless to say, the pitfalls of this style of governance are woefully obvious.

    The idea there is that the moral weight of religion would stave off corruption. This is the operating theory behind the Islamic Republic style of governance. So one can point to Iran to see how well it works.

    Comment by Jack — February 20, 2010 @ 7:12 am | Reply

  16. even better here is a video with leftwing nutter with TORCHES AND PICTHFORKS….

    Wheres the OUTRAGE BY RON… none because ron only cares when he can lie and create propaganda to serve his leftwing nutter goals…

    Ron is such a complete joke.

    Comment by robotech master — February 20, 2010 @ 1:41 pm | Reply

  17. To repeat myself: if Mr. Rosenbaum really believes the Tea Party and anti-government rhetoric is extremely dangerous and has/and will incite violence…

    then how can he in good conscious work for a man that says this:

    “Via the Tea Party movement and other things, libertarianism – a rather attractive and even hip ideology – is taking over the right. People who love freedom are drifting rightward leaving the left with moribund unions and big government, neither of which seem to work.”

    It’s funny, Ron demands so much from conservatives (denounce Medicare, write angry letters to certain plos and CC Ron, present alternative healthcare plans, denounce loud Town Hallers, and so on).

    And yet, Ron won’t even mention, let alone challenge, his bosses and coworkers for taking stances he finds abhorrent and dangerous.

    It’s telling that one of Ron’s favorite insults is “anonymous cowards”

    Comment by Jack — February 20, 2010 @ 7:17 pm | Reply

  18. Forgive me if this becomes a double post but its been stuck in waiting for close to a day…

    To 12. Tim Rinaldi

    I’m always impressed by the complete ignorance of ppl like you.

    First do you know what a fascist corporation is? Likely not. You likely believe that a corporation under the term of fascism is similar to a corporation under the terms used today in say the US… they are very very different.

    A fascist corporation is really no different then a company run by commies in the USSR… they are but a shell obeying the government. When you look at say hitler’s germany vs stalins russia the corporations under hitler choose willingly to follow hitlers orders and thus be effectively taken over by the government, vs stalin who had to forcible take over the vast majority of his industry and replaced the skilled workers/leaders with party loyalists. This is of course one of the reasons why hitlers industry was so vastly better then stalins because of the fact that the ppl who created/ran the businesses well kept running the business after the take over.

    Mussolini did much the same though different means but enough history lets get to the science.

    First “extreme negative freedom (economic freedom) leads to monopolies and in the worst case scenario, fascism.”

    This statement is roughly factually correct.(expect that its “real” communism not fascism as the worst case). Of course negative economic freedom is leftwing/socialist in natural… so your admitting now that hitler/fascism is indeed leftwing…?

    Many ppl like to play with the term communism and as 14. DavidN points out under communism supposed the government goes away… This is what I like to call fantasy communism because it pretty can’t exist(at least not for the human race anyway). “Real” communism is what stalin pretty much was… as close to fantasy communism as humanly able.

    Extreme economic freedom can only exist under 1 form of government… anarchy. Anarchy is not a stable government thus it will always lead to another form of government as it moves leftward. This can include fascism but also all forms of government since anarchy is the most rightwing form of government and thus any change can only move more toward the left.

    Comment by robotech master — February 20, 2010 @ 11:43 pm | Reply

  19. Doesn’t like posts with 2 links it seems…

    So lets do some basic sociology here.

    Their are basically only 2 forms of thought in the world. Collectivism and Individualism. In “pure” form Collectivism and Individualism are complete and opposing opposites, meaning that an Individualist can NOT believe in “real” communism of any form and a Collectivists can not believe in Anarchy of any form.

    Collectivism has always been defined as leftwing. Classic collectivists include but not limited to Stalin, lenin, marx, hitler, mao, che, etc. All collectivists… all far leftwing/leftwing/center leftwing.

    Collectivists view the world solely from a collective view point thus they see the world as this

    Far leftwing Stalin(_____________)Hitler Far rightwing.

    A collectivist will always state that hitler is rightwing because a collectivist can not grasp the concept of the “individual” it simply doesn’t exist to them.

    Now in the real world you once again has 2 forms of thought Collectivist and Individualist.

    An Individualist sees the world that includes individualists thought so here we have a scale that has both.

    Far Leftwing Stalin(_________Hitler___)Center(______________)Far right.

    Now as you can see hitler is clearly leftwing when you include the full scale of ideology thought.

    Your welcome to try to claim that hitler was individualist its always amusing…

    Now lets break down what the sub groups of each ideology are on a government/economic scale.

    A pure collectivist for a government type believes in total government. As one moves more toward the center you get less and less government. Once again you have a complete government control something along the lines of stalin or as you move more toward the center and give ppl a little bit of freedom you reach hitler and more toward the center your get oppressive democracies and so on and so on.

    As you move away from stalin and hitler and other collectivists you see the individualist forms of government on the rightwing side. The US when it was first created was a centerright/rightwing republic.(not so much anymore) As you keep moving toward the right you of course get to “pure” individualist government… Anarchy/No Governemt or the government of 1/Self.

    In order for fascism to be right wing it would need to be near anarchy… which its not its the complete opposite and of course is collectivist(or total government) government in natural.

    Collectivist sub group is Total government vs Individualist sub group which is No government/government of 1/Self.

    So lets look at the economic sub groups.

    In collectivism you have “socialism” which is the collective having complete control of the economic aspects of life.

    Individualists have “capitalism” which is zero control of economic matters. You/self control what happens.

    Now once again which is hitler… hitler is clearly a socialist.

    So its very simple to see using science and not propaganda that hitler is a collectivist… thus making him leftwing(or rightwing if you define collectivism as rightwing) but either way you define it hitler, stalin, marx, mao, etc all belong to the same collection of ideologies… call them left or right wing but if you call stalin far-leftwing then hitler MUST be leftwing as well.

    Now you can argue stages of hitler such as when hitler first ran for office it could easily be argued that he ran as a centrist even center right candidate… but what did hitler government as… well by the 1940s is very clear that hitler had moved steadily to the left and likely would have kept moving to the left if he had lived to 1950… which would have put in borderline far-left commie area. So you can swap out left and right to fit your propaganda needs to try to redefine the argument but you can’t swap out the meaning of collectivist and individualist… thats science.

    And by using science we can clearly see that hitler was indeed a collectivist(and a pretty hardcore collectivist) and stalin was a collectivist(very hardcore collectivist) thus when one views a grouping of ppl via ideology hitler and stalin will be placed very close together on that scale.

    Now I know this is very complex for you and I used alot of big words so I’m going to give you these very simplistic video and hope that you can understand them(though I have my doubts).

    Comment by robotech master — February 20, 2010 @ 11:45 pm | Reply

  20. Comment by robotech master — February 20, 2010 @ 11:46 pm | Reply

  21. Violence? Like that black guy Gadney(?) got called the n-word, and beaten up by a Purple Shirt white thug?

    Comment by ic — February 20, 2010 @ 11:58 pm | Reply

  22. To 23. ic

    You have to remember ppl like ron and collectivist in general don’t view these ppl as “black”. They are simply racist rednecks with black paint all over they’re bodies….because we all know that blacks can only think 1 way and that is the democrat way…

    Comment by robotech master — February 21, 2010 @ 12:14 am | Reply

  23. Rosenbaum is really grasping at straw when he tries to make hay out of those quips by Pawlenty and Brown. Is he oblivious to the bilious and false and violent discourse coming from the “progressives”? It would seem so. This blindness, and the adherence to bogus logic, anti-logic, i.e. global warming skeptic = flat earth believer, is compelling evidence that “progressivism”/”liberal” is mental illness or devil worship.

    Comment by Patrick Of Atlantis — February 21, 2010 @ 5:53 am | Reply

  24. Well, now you have proof that even those lefties that seem sane eventually go round the bend and start using a single oar to propel themselves up the creek. To equate the nutcase who flew into the IRS building with the Tea Parties doesn’t even rise to the level of foolish, it’s just plain old lefty silly. Read what they guy wrote and you recognize the typical “moderate” lefty, not someone who is concerned about erosion of the Constitution.

    have a nice day

    Comment by rashputin — February 21, 2010 @ 6:11 am | Reply

  25. Now the Violence of Town Hall/Tea Party Rhetoric Has Infected Previously Sane Republicans….It’s just a matter of time before this kind of window-smashing, gun toting, government-is evil rhetoric turns into more violence against fellow citizens. Don’t say I didn’t predict it.

    There has already been violence against fellow citizens, but contrary to Mr. Rosenbaum’s prediction, most of the violence has come from the left side of the aisle. The Town Halls of August:

    That’s the full list of documented violence from the August meetings. In more than 400 events: one slap, one shove, three punches, two signs grabbed, one self-inflicted vandalism incident by a liberal, one unsolved vandalism incident, and one serious assault. Despite the left’s insistence on the essentially barbaric nature of Obamacare critics, the video, photographic, and police report evidence is fairly clear in showing that 7 of the 10 incidents were perpetrated by Obama supporters and union members on Obama critics. If you add a phoned death threat to Democrat representative Brad Miller of N.C., from an Obama-care critic, the tally is 7 of 11.

    Why do you ignore such information, Mr. Rosenbaum? Just wondering.

    Comment by Gringo — February 21, 2010 @ 11:43 am | Reply

  26. All the boldface shows that Preview would be a nice option in Pajamas Media blog comments.

    Comment by Gringo — February 21, 2010 @ 11:45 am | Reply

  27. where are the commies at… where you at Tim Rinaldi…

    Ron is of course to cowardly to debate anyone but you come in and thought you were a tough guy where are you now…

    Comment by robotech master — February 22, 2010 @ 1:01 pm | Reply

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