Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

February 18, 2010

Hey, Tea Partiers: When are You Gonna Give Up Medicare?

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 11:31 am

Or don’t you realize it’s a sinister government program? Government run health care! Socialized medicine! Aren’t you being a little hypocritical taking money from The Man?

What about all your brave “revolutionary” spirit? What about all the talk of the evils of the federal government? What about all the talk of secession? Why don’t you secede from taking any Medicare benefits? Declare it now. That way you’ll lower evil federal spending. Don’t tell me you don’t want to do your share to reduce the deficit. Don’t tell me you want to be one of those welfare recipients you despise.

Oh yeah, do you want to take away veterans benefits too? That’s a federal government socialized medicine program, right?

What do you mean — evil federal spending is okay if it’s for you? Come on, where’s that town hall spirit? Bond together in the good old-fashioned way of American individualism. Help each other out. Tell your doctors that you’re gonna do a barn-raising to pay for your gall bladder surgery. They’ll understand; it’s all part of the new American revolution you’re brewing.

I’d just like to know how many are really true to the anti-government principles and how many are just freeloading fakers.

Yes I know some of you are not old enough for Medicare, but if you make a declaration now that you won’t ever accept it you can reduce future budget estimates. What are you waiting for?

And, thanks!

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8 Comments »

  1. Jeez, Ron, you’re truly reverting to leftist type: not a strawman un-whacked.

    Medicare is an abomination and should be privatized, yes. But at the same time, tens of millions of American workers have been paying “premiums” into their Medicare plan- whether they wanted to or not- their entire working lives. We are entitled to get what we paid for.

    Of course, no politician has the courage to touch the Medicare malignancy, one of the (several) reasons for exploding medical costs- even more than Social Security, it’s the Third Rail of US politics. But, yes, it SHOULD be privatised.

    Comment by Bohemond — February 18, 2010 @ 11:44 am | Reply

  2. “Improvising all the way, FDR propelled through an action-hungry Congress a dizzying successsion of measures to restore economic stability. In March he reorganied the banks and set up the Civilian Conservation Corps; in April he took the nation off the gold standard; in May he made relief a federal responsibility, provided mortgage aid for farmers, set up the Agricultural Adjustment Administration to support farm prices, realied Senator George Norris’ dream of the Tennessee Valley Authority, and instituted an agency to protect investors from stock market frauds; in June he sent to Capitol Hill a farm credit bill, a federal insurance bill for bank deposits, a homeowners’ loan bill and the National Industrial Recovery Act, which suspended antitrust laws to encourage industry-wide planning. When Congress adjourned on June 16, exactly one hundred days after the session began, it has passed the most sweeping economic program in American history.” Ronald Steel “Walter Lippmann and the American Century” It is BARACK OBAMA who is the right winger!!

    Comment by charlie finch — February 18, 2010 @ 12:41 pm | Reply

  3. I bet the Tea Partiers will give up the sinister Medicare as soon as they can keep their 3%(?) income from being confiscated into that rat hole.

    To explain it this way, I never claim medical reimbursement from Aetna. Am I being generous? I’ve never filed a claim because I’ve never paid them premiums. But I claim every dime I’m entitled to from Cigna because I’ve paid them a hefty premium to insure me.

    A percentage of our income, before income tax, is paid into the Medicare fund as a premium for our retirement insurance. TeaPartiers are not exempt. They have the right to claim what’s theirs.

    Does Ron know where Medicare gets its money?

    Comment by ic — February 18, 2010 @ 12:42 pm | Reply

  4. Hmm, no argument of “Jesus would tell you to do it.” No claims of superior parenting.
    And no name calling (cowards, paranoid illiterate).

    So some progress.

    But there’s a large amount of strawmen. Must be easy to ascribe a belief to your rivals and then mock them for it.

    “Or don’t you realize it’s a sinister government program? Government run health care! Socialized medicine! Aren’t you being a little hypocritical taking money from The Man?”
    Instead of acknowledging the clear financial problems with Medicare and the problems that would come in greatly expanding it, Ron simply goes with “sinister”. And its not “The Man’s” money. It’s the taxpayers.

    “What about all your brave “revolutionary” spirit? What about all the talk of the evils of the federal government? What about all the talk of secession? Why don’t you secede from taking any Medicare benefits? Declare it now. That way you’ll lower evil federal spending. Don’t tell me you don’t want to do your share to reduce the deficit. Don’t tell me you want to be one of those welfare recipients you despise.”
    Ah, the classic. “You must prove your value to me by doing X”. Once again Ron shows he’s the moral arbiter.

    And we see the “evil” strawman come up repeatedly. It’s not that the Tea Partiers think that the government is inefficient, corrupt, or irresponsible, no it must be evil. Ron is deliberately presenting those that disagree with him as paranoid nuts, and then mocking them for being paranoid nuts.

    “Oh yeah, do you want to take away veterans benefits too? That’s a federal government socialized medicine program, right?”
    Wow, that’s a mindless equivalence and another strawman. Are you really saying that the government paying the healthcare costs of wounds incurred while following the governments orders is the same as Medicare?

    “What do you mean — evil federal spending is okay if it’s for you?”
    And another strawman. Because being against one giant government program surely means that you must hate its smaller brother.

    “Bond together in the good old-fashioned way of American individualism. Help each other out. Tell your doctors that you’re gonna do a barn-raising to pay for your gall bladder surgery. They’ll understand; it’s all part of the new American revolution you’re brewing.”
    The only difference between this and Medicare is that medicare takes the money at gunpoint, where your barnraising, or charity, is voluntary. The money to pay for such a gall bladder surgery doesn’t come from “the government” or “the man” it comes from either debt or taxes. But Ron ignores that.

    “I’d just like to know how many are really true to the anti-government principles and how many are just freeloading fakers.”
    You’d only be a freeloader in medicare if your income was low enough to not be subjected to fees. Hence, the free in freeloader.
    And note the strawman of “anti-government” instead of something like fiscally-responsible-government or suspicious-of-congress.
    Nope, any questioning of the “plan” must be anti-government anarchists. It can’t be that people don’t believe what Pelosi, Reid, et al. say about their bills.

    Also see that Ron is making any dislike of the bills as being Tea Party based. Impressive, given that the bills are currently dead in the water and disliked by a comfortable majority in polling. That’s some Tea Party.

    “Yes I know some of you are not old enough for Medicare, but if you make a declaration now that you won’t ever accept it you can reduce future budget estimates. What are you waiting for?”

    And we get to a meta incongruity. Ron has repeatedly railed against anonymous commenting and says that the solution is to have more and more websites adopt a verified-only posted system, yet here he is eliciting responses on an anonymous-only blog.

    Finally, note that Ron says nothing about the proposed bills in congress. Not whether or not they’ll improve on the status quo, whether or not they’ll be more financially sound, whether or not they’ll improve care.

    Nope, instead of arguing on the bill’s merits, he decides to launch into a demanding screed.

    Comment by Jack — February 18, 2010 @ 12:50 pm | Reply

  5. 2. charlie finch:

    What’s your point? That Obama didn’t wreak a Shermanesque path of destruction as wide as FDR’s?

    Comment by Bohemond — February 18, 2010 @ 12:50 pm | Reply

  6. “Boy he way Glenn Miller played/Songs that made ‘The Hit Parade’/Guys like us we had it made/Those were the days/And you knew who you were then/Gals were gals and men were men/Mister, we could use a Prez like Herbert Hoover again/Didn’t need no welfare state/Everybody pulled his weight/Gee, our old LaSalle ran great/Those were the days!!!”

    Comment by charlie finch — February 18, 2010 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

  7. On the same day, that a deeply disgruntled businessman (who quoted “The Communist Manifesto” in his suicide note) crashed his plane into an IRS building in Austin, the Fed ups the discount rate and starts to shut down the essentially non-existent program to help banks provide eased credit to the middle class. The economic crisis in our country is not a matter of left or right, it is a matter of the elites and the oppressed, the haves and the have nots, the superrich and the middle class. There is not a dime’s worth of difference between Dick Cheney and Barack Obama, including (in the one commendable quality they share) the killing of Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Chomsky’s doctrine of “manufactured consent” does not go far enough: what we have is imposed consent via celebrity and technology, The man or woman who once looked down at an assembly line now looks down at an IPod: the chains of those who control our lives remain the same.

    Comment by charlie finch — February 18, 2010 @ 3:33 pm | Reply

  8. Mr. Rosenbaum:

    The day after it becomes legal to stop paying into that system and Fedzilla (to borrow Nugent’s term) promises to refund all the money I’ve already paid into that system but received no value in exchange for (I’m not 65 yet), I will gladly opt out.

    There. See how simple it is?

    Next strawman?

    Comment by ConservativeWanderer — February 18, 2010 @ 6:22 pm | Reply


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