Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

August 24, 2008

More Fun With Joe: The Guy is a Republican at Heart

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 10:02 am

It’s almost sad how clueless Joe Biden is. (“clueless Joe” may replace “shoeless Joe” as an American icon of a sort, though in this case an icon of dimness). He’s so proud of the supposed wisdom of his father that he quotes it yesterday at his unveiling:

“I was an Irish-Catholic kid from Scranton with a father who like many of yours in tough economic times fell on hard times, but my mom and dad raised me to believe, it’s a saying Barack you heard me say before, my dad repeated it and repeated it. Said champ, it’s not how many times you get knocked down, it’s how quickly you get up. It’s how quickly you get up. Ladies and gentlemen, that’s your story. That’s America’s story. It’s about if you get up, you can make it.”

And if you can’t, tough luck. Poor clueless Joe, he’s so proud of Pappy’s alleged wisdom.

Because this is essentially a Republican slogan. Anti-New Deal rugged individualism with contempt for those who need help. It basically says in times of misfortune you’re on your own. If you can’t overcome being fired or foreclosed or struck down by disease, if Fate knocks you down the way it can the best of us and you can’t manage by yourself, than too bad, you’re just a loser by Joe’s lights, or by the lights of his father.

A Democrat, Barack Obama, one hopes, even a compassionate conservative would say; there are times when people need a helping hand and that it’s a more humane thing to do– to help them up rather than to watch them squirm in the dust, trying to get up after they’ve been knocked down (say by one of the credit card companies or banks that financed Joe’s career as a Delaware servant of America’s economy-destroying finance comanies in the Senate.)

But I guess this explains why he sponsored the cruel anti-consumer bankruptcy bill for his paymasters. Still it doesn’t quite explain Biden’s intellectual bankruptcy. He doesn’t even know what party philosophy he espouses.

You wonder why I seem irate about clueless Joe. Because I think it would be an electrifying, transformative thing to elect our first non white President, the final triumph of the civil rights movement. And I think bloviating Joe could easily ruin it.



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  2. “And I think bloviating Joe could easily ruin it.”

    And he’d been doing us all a favor. Obama is the least qualified candidate in my lifetime. Utterly without substance.

    And your Democrats give a hand up vs. Republicans let them squirm meme is a bit of a cliche. Perhaps you don’t know it, but many studies have shown Republicans are vastly more giving in charitable donations. It just depends on where it’s coming from – the state or the individual. That’s the difference – not the generosity.

    Comment by Lisa — August 24, 2008 @ 11:37 am | Reply

  3. Ron, you’re a good writer and all, and I genuinely like you, but the story of America is just as Joe put it: Get up out of the damn dust, quit your whining, and get to work. It’s not splitting the rhetorical hairs of “hand up/hand out”, or anything like it. We’re too busy and common sense for that. If you’re foreclosed on, it’s because you either signed something you shouldn’t have, or disaster struck. If you go bankrupt, you either made bad decisions or you went for the gold, only to find yourself holding bronze, at best. (By the way, the Founders saw the wisdom of bankruptcy laws, allowing people to “Get up out of the damn dust, quit your whining, and get to work.”)

    If the government is the answer, than you’re just asking stupid questions. There is no way to interact with government without your freedom, your property, or both, being compromised. That’s known by all Americans, and it’s why Obama will go down in flames in the fall.

    Comment by Herr Morgenholz — August 24, 2008 @ 11:43 am | Reply

  4. And I think bloviating Joe could easily ruin it.

    And I hope he does. Obama would be a disaster as president. I lived through one Carter administration; I don’t want to go through another.

    Comment by Anthony (Los Angeles) — August 24, 2008 @ 11:50 am | Reply

  5. Because I think it would be an electrifying, transformative thing to elect our first non white President, the final triumph of the civil rights movement.

    Ron — Well, me too, but that doesn’t mean that we should elect any non-white as President.

    In your PJM articles you never confront Obama’s shocking lack of experience, accomplishment and judgment. You just seem to be in love with your fantasy of Obama.

    Comment by burroughs — August 24, 2008 @ 12:51 pm | Reply

  6. There will be other, far better qualified non-white candidates in the years ahead. So many non whites are now in public affairs, how could it be otherwise? Elect Barry, however, and you could taint the rest of them for a generation.

    Comment by Dick Stanley — August 24, 2008 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  7. Obama may think he made this choice, but he was steered to it by the “smoke filled back room” of professional handlers.

    As much as they try to triangulate their way out of this box they put themselves in, it won’t work. Biden runs off at the mouth and it will be entertaining to watch over the next couple of months. After he shoots off once to much, he’ll be warming the Obamanation bench with Michelle.

    Obama lost the election the second he *didn’t* put Hillary on his ticket.

    Comment by Concerned Citizen — August 24, 2008 @ 1:38 pm | Reply

  8. I enjoyed reading the comments and am in total agreement with most of them. Since when did the office of the presidency come down to affirmative action? We shouldn’t be judging anyone on the color of their skin- PERIOD. This is not about race and it shouldn’t be. Obama has so many radical ties I’ve actually lost count. He’s so far extremist left I get a chill down my spine thinking about him and the democrats completely calling all the shots. Americans should all be chilled by this prospect.

    I believe there are many qualified people of color and I would throw my support behind them if they ever decided to run for president. Obama is simply not qualified and downright scary.

    Comment by Lisa — August 24, 2008 @ 2:27 pm | Reply

  9. For some reason, Jewish & WASP pundits on both sides of the spectrum have bought into the narrative that the feats of placing blacks in high office are “electrifying and transformative and morally redeeming of the American nation” in a way that electing other minorities aren’t.

    A black Senator or Governor is “a New Day for America!!” – somehow – in a way that a woman, Japanese-American, Indian, native-american, hispanic, religious minority Governor or Senator isn’t – is a triumph, an affirmation of All America Should Be.

    And a black President or VP candidate is an even Higher, Awesome Tribute to American Hope&Diversity – in a way that a Lieberman or Romney religious minority, a female Prez or VP candidate, even an elected Native American VP (Charles Curtis) – isn’t.

    Maybe because of the heavy Jewish & wealthy WASP involvement in “uplifting blacks” from the turn of the 20th century to the days to civil rights demands and affirmative action, such pundits see black advancement as “Our Triumph in Helping the Poor Negro” and write from that perspective.
    While ignoring other minorities.

    Which in the end might be far healthier for those other minorities making high office on their own without all the pundit’s “Hail the Black Person, How Wonderful it Is!!” fanfare.

    Why exactly are pundits constantly exhorting “All Americans” to be proud of the black Senator, Governor, Prez nominee? While not being exhorted to be “proud as Americans” of Charles Curtis, Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Inouye or Hiwakawa, Hillary or Palin, or the Romney, Lieberman religious minorities, or Latin-blooded Govs and other high officials?

    Or the under-represented ethnic of Greek, Lebanese, Turkish, Polish rising to a position of power? Or blacks of “incorrect thoughts” – like Rice, Thomas, and Steele -who unlike other minority groups aren’t even blessed with being ignored, but instead condemned?

    Could it be that the Jewish & WASP pundits just reflect the narrative taught in school and university that certain groups are worthier of a moral claim than others to office or being favored by identity politics? But that since 90% of the progressive focus is on the “historical plight of blacks”, and 90% of the teaching is about the black struggle as the more important “diversity narrative”, that only black success is truly transformative, amazing, morally right, and worthy of celebration by all Americans of “correct thoughts”???

    Worth thinking about as women chew on the fact that the pundits, Dem power brokers, universities, and young white liberals (especially gushing young female fans) see the rise of a charismatic black man as far more morally uplifting and praiseworthy than a woman rising to high office.

    Comment by cedarford — August 24, 2008 @ 3:19 pm | Reply

  10. It seems to me, with Barry’s pick of JoeBlow, that he really doesn’t want to be President at all. He smote Hill & Bill to the ash heap and that was enough for him (for now). I think in the midst of all his bluster, becoming the likely nominee for the Dumbocrats has scared the shinola out of him. How els can you explain all the high gloss marketing and message crafting of the last 12 months being thrown away on a pompeous a** like JoeBlow.

    Think about it… polished message of “change & hope” instantly transformed into an unpredictable message from a “mean ‘ol dope.”

    Image crafting worth hundreds of millions, instantly transformed for the “Dumbocrat minions!”

    Comment by — August 24, 2008 @ 3:35 pm | Reply

  11. So far as experience, gravitas, and foreign policy moxie is concerned, Obama had to hire it out. With McCain, it comes pre-installed. The Presidency is not an affirmative action position.

    Comment by TomY — August 24, 2008 @ 3:53 pm | Reply

  12. It’s why ethnic and/or genetic bean counting is silly. I thought the idea was to get past peoples’ color, sex, creed, etc. The right man or woman for the job is the idea, period.

    Comment by Brad — August 24, 2008 @ 4:12 pm | Reply

  13. John Edwards’$400 haircut was an issue in the primary; Joe Biden’s hair transplant will be one in the general election, especially on Leno and Letterman.


    Comment by Mike Licht — August 24, 2008 @ 5:28 pm | Reply

  14. Ron, you wrote that the election of of Obama would be “the final triumph of the civil rights movement.”

    I disagree. The “final triumph” will be when the race of the candidate will not matter at all. But as soon as Obama became the “black candidate” as opposed to the candidate who happens to be black, any “final triumph” became impossible.

    As the son of immigrants, I, too, am sick and tired of hearing about how very special blacks are. My people are special too, darn it.

    To treat Obama as being oh so special, Isn’t this just a little patronizing? That is, it treats blacks as being, somehow, more deserving of praise when they accomplish something — thereby implying that they are inferior.

    Or, as Joe Biden said of Obama, (paraphrasing a bit), “isn’t he just so clean and articulate?”

    Comment by John Rich — August 24, 2008 @ 5:39 pm | Reply

  15. It’s amazing Mr. Rosenbaum could wring so much out and read so much into some standard political boilerplate. Because I can’t and I think Mr. Rosenbaum is the clueless bloviator here.

    Comment by Javelin — August 24, 2008 @ 5:53 pm | Reply

  16. Ron,

    Nice job, Ron.

    This time you did it, unintentionally, of course. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that you did what no one else, not even Misanthro who posts in Pajamas Media has been able to do.

    You put me, Rachel Peepers, into a (you pick the adjective), muddled, bewildered, perplexed, distressed, vexed, betwixed and bemused mental state.

    SIDEBAR (forgive the caps, I hate them, too)

    (In fact, I just returned from WalMart where I found the Rasberry Diet Rite in stock so I was feeling like a prom queen whose thirst had just been slaked by those heavenly though tiny, raspberry colored, baby sized bubbles tickling my throat, like a…oh, never mind. It was just an overall nice feeling).

    So I get home, open a soda and run like a breathless school girl to my fav website, Pajamas Media, where I find (he’s such a good writer I say his name twice) Ron Ron Rosenbaum’s article, which upsets me to the point that I start feeling like a girl on a fuzzy tree. (footnote to “All Shook up” sung, of course, by Elvis and written by who I think is the greatest rock song writer of all time, Otis Blackwell, who, incidentally deserves a movie about his life I might add.) Whewwww. I’m out of breath.

    Anyway, (transitional phrases are writers’ life support system), anyway my friend, Ron, puts me into the almost untenable position of feeling I have to defend, Presidential, OOOPS, MISTAKE, Vice Presidential nominee, Joe Biden, who’s one half of the ticket I’ve named, “The BJ Boys.” Is that too insensitive?

    I ramble.

    So, yesterday, in Springfield, Barack totally makes a mess of introducing Biden.

    Then Biden ( was he befuddled, too?) forgets Barack’s last name and calls him, “Barack America.” Am I the only one reporting on these too-funny gaffes? The only thing worse would have been if Joe had called Obama, “Captain America.”

    Then Joe begins his speech, the Biden money shot, the one he’s been waiting to give for decades; that he can say backwards and forwards.

    For bloviater king Joe, the time is now. The cosmic Biden tumblers have all clicked into place. He’s been nominated.

    Biden knows he’ll hit this speech out of the park. It’s the bootstraps speech. The “I remember my father saying to me” speech.

    Ron Rosenbaum, this speech wasn’t going to be about strategy; wasn’t about Obama’s Democratic party philosophy. It was about Joe Biden. Thirty six years in the making. It came from his heart, not some talking point paper.

    Sure, I’ve hammered Joe a little these last 24 hours, but he’s a big boy. He can take it.

    It’s just that I get to a partisan point, and I try to rein myself in and try to understand that these politicians are still human beings. Americans who in many cases have done the best they can. Who bleed real blood. And feel real feelings. And maybe deserve a little more slack than most of us are willing to give them.

    It was hot, 90 degrees in Springfield, and Joe Biden’s time in the sun. He’s given his country enough of himself that we can at least give him this, a little benefit of the doubt.

    This 65 year old American Senator was speaking from deep inside. Unlike his running mate who’ll run it up the flag pole to see if anybody salutes, I believe that Senator Joesph Biden meant every word.

    What I’m trying to say is this: there comes a time and place when it’s time to give someone his due. As I said, a little slack. Do I feel bad about how I’ve ridiculed Joe in the last 24 hours. Yes. Of course, maybe a little, but I do it because I feel far worse about the possibility of Obama, who I believe is a liar’s liar, definitely unfit for command, being elected President. Which is why every night in Rachel’s own way, she tries to hammer away at Obama’s credibility and his integrity.

    But, please, look at it for a moment, if you will, from this perspective.

    If Obama is elected, Rosenbaum’s “clueless Joe” just may be the only thing standing between the insane HateAmericanism of Obama and his henchmen.

    And sanity.

    Not to mention the safety of our children, our moms and dads, friends and family.

    Heaven knows, I don’t admire Obama. I don’t trust him as far as I can throw him.

    But in many ways I admire Joe Biden. If Obama had to pick somebody, I’m glad it was he.

    Comment by Rachel Peepers — August 24, 2008 @ 6:38 pm | Reply

  17. What’s important is how many houses he owns.

    They left yet? 16 days and counting

    Comment by John Samford — August 24, 2008 @ 7:30 pm | Reply

  18. I’m white and Jewish. I voted against the ticket with Lieberman on it before, but I would vote for a ticket with Eric Cantor on it. I would love to see a Jew elected to high office in this country, but I have and will in the future vote for WHO I THINK ARe THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSONS (POTUS and VEEP)for the office. Are they effective leadership, do they share my values? “Black” is not a value, nor is “Jewish” or “Hispanic-American”. I have too many differences with different groups of my fellow Jews (I’m a conservative, most Jews are liberals), and even with in the relatively small population of Jews in this country, there is wide and varied opinions about the religion, about politics etc. So there is no one single Jewish “value”, though one can make some very broad generalizations.

    What is being “black”? Does it make you better, smarter, a criminal, worthy of being praised or damned? None of the above. Each individual must be judged on who they are, what they say and how they act. There is no such thing as “black values”. Ethnic Americans…are all Hispanics the same? Norwegian-Americans? What values do all Asian-Americans share?

    For that matter, do all women agree on all issues? Nope.

    Sex, race, family origins…there are no intrinsic “values” inherent in any group, and that is why identity politics is such a wrong way to look at the world, and a horrible way to pick politicians.

    Vote for the individual.

    I can’t vote for Obama because I think he is a Marxist and a supporter of bad people, and I believe that if he has the opportunity, he will bring down this country. I don’t care about his skin color, his place-of-birth, his parents. I care about what he has done with his life (associated with a lot of hateful and hate-filled people), he appears to me to be another corrupt Chicago politician, I believe he is a pathologic liar.

    And that’s all I really need to know.

    Comment by Maurice — August 24, 2008 @ 7:31 pm | Reply

  19. You think it would be an electrifying, transformative thing to elect our first non white President, the final triumph of the civil rights movement?

    Ironically this statement flunks Martin Luther King’s dream.

    Or are we to think that the measure of the man is the color of his skin rather than the content of his character?

    I will not vote for Barack because his slickly packaged message of change is hollow, and his formative political upbringing involves leftists, terrorists, America haters, and those that would rather see the country torn along racial lines rather than find real solutions.

    The sad state of the American two party system is that we are more often than not forced to choose the lesser of two evils, and this time around that is McCain. Though there is cause for hope in that even if Obama is elected, it is unlikely he can completely tear asunder the fabric of the nation in four to eight years.

    Comment by Brian — August 24, 2008 @ 7:44 pm | Reply


    “And if you can’t, tough luck. Poor clueless Joe, he’s so proud of Pappy’s alleged wisdom.”

    Ron said that, NOT bin Biden.

    Ron, you are totally clueless about the meaning of that old saw.
    To keep it simple, so simple minds understand. It’s about not quiting. Trying again. AND again if that is what it takes. Getting help is PART of trying again. So your statement just demonstrates that you are the clueless one.
    Maybe this will help;

    ” Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘Press On’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.”
    Calvin Coolidge
    30th president of US (1872 – 1933)

    “Anti-New Deal rugged individualism with contempt for those who need help. It basically says in times of misfortune you’re on your own.”
    NO IT DOES NOT!!!! You are reading this in because you don’t understand what is happening here. Getting help to try again IS STILL TRYING AGAIN.
    And the real lesson is as long as you walk with god, you are NEVER alone.
    I am an atheist and I understand that point, even if I think it’s BS.
    Methinks you are projecting.

    Comment by John Samford — August 24, 2008 @ 7:45 pm | Reply

  21. Biden is a brilliant strategist and advocate! Just listen to the first 50 to 60 minutes of any question he asks of a Bush judicial appointee!

    Comment by TexEd — August 24, 2008 @ 9:15 pm | Reply

  22. Joe is kind of endearing, in a befuddled-relative sort-of-way. Which I think will clash with Obama’s holier-than-thou appeal. God knows I wouldn’t want Biden to be President, but I wouldn’t mind having a few beers (or more likely a bottle of wine I couldn’t really afford) with him. With Obama, I imagine my eyes glazing over as the script… just… won’t…. deviate….

    Biden is Obama’s James Stockdale.

    Comment by Mark Poling — August 24, 2008 @ 9:34 pm | Reply

  23. Was electing black mayors in New York, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, or Detroit a “transformative” experience for those cities? Well, perhaps for some of them it was, but clearly not in the manner Mr. Rosenbaum is thinking of. As for the self-help message, it’s true even if it comes from Senator Joe Hairplugs Higher IQ Above Your Pay Grade Biden (D-MBNA). If everybody whines and mopes, society will regress. In a nutshell: safety net yes, welfare state no.

    Comment by CJ — August 25, 2008 @ 6:13 pm | Reply

  24. How about Clueless Ron, as in Rosenbaum?

    The guy who was so sure that Obama was so “smart and shrewd” to choose Sam Nunn as his VP. Meanwhile, Obama chose Biden and did not even vet Nunn.

    Comment by burroughs — August 26, 2008 @ 8:16 pm | Reply

  25. Aside from Bobby Jindal, we’d guess the first successful non-white Presidential candidate will be East Asian or Oriental rather than some grievance-ridden black or La Raza fulminating TexMex Hispanic. Should a Maggie Thatcher rather than MzBill surface in the next few decades, a female candidate could be of any hue.

    The point is substance. MzBill is famously pork-ignorant of economics, Barack a Marxian Statist even if one grants him good intentions. (Given his murky history and exclusively radical connections, we do not.)
    Regardless of gender or race, “identity,” does anyone pretend that either would discover force and wisdom to defend or even constructively govern the U.S.?

    Our most “experienced” Chief Executive was James Buchanan. Lincoln, his immediate successor, as a circuit-riding lawyer had virtually none. So character and conviction both are key: The right kind of character, well-founded Constitutional convictions.
    Only blind partisans attribute leadership to MzBill or BHO, political trimmers to the core. By sheer default, if not active sabotage, either would happily trash the First Amendment, collectivize free markets, expose America to assault by vicious enemies.

    Past Election 2008, the Boomer Generation begins to fall away. By 2012 – 2016, this spoiled-brat cohort will be a spent force. Can’t occur too soon.

    Comment by John Blake — August 27, 2008 @ 6:52 pm | Reply

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