Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

August 7, 2008

Could Hillary Be Plotting Something?

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 6:24 am

Probably not. But I bet the thought has crossed her mind, certainly Bill’s bitter brain. The thought first crossed my mind when as far back as May, the issue of whether she would allow herself to be nominated and let her delegates vote for her was raised and not resolved. In fact I raised it even earlier than that in a post here about why Hillary kept hanging on after the numbers were against her. I’d suggested she wanted the historic and symbolic meaningfulness of allowing her self to be nominated at the convention, allowing her near-majority of delegates to demonstrate their strength (for a national television audience, for the future) and as a milestone for women in politics.

Then, when the numbers clearly indicated she lost and she sort of conceded, the question of whether she’d still have her name put in nomination just hung there. Was it a requirement of the primary system that her pledged delegates vote for her at the convention. And if it wasn’t a requirement that pledged delegates vote for whom they were selected then Obama’s delegates were free to change their minds weren’t they? Seemed like an opening.

At first I thought one aspect of Obama’s foreign trip was to demonstrate to the world that the nomination was signed, sealed and delivered. But don’t forget we’re dealing with the Clintons, and the foreign trip may have backfired in the polls.

And now Obama’s people have announced that they want the Florida and Michigan results fully counted, not cut in half. Which means that in some calculations Hillary moves ahead in the primary popular vote count, and closer in the delegate count.

And then the clincher for me: Hillary publicly declared “I don’t want to be nominated.” Translation in Hillary speak: “I have to say this, but what I’m really saying is that there’s nothing to bar me from being nominated”–otherwise why so conspicuously beg her supporters not to, unless she wanted to remind them that they could–“and so if some of you PUMAS out there want to nominate me and see if by then some super delegates, even pledged delegates have changed their mind and want to get a kind of Wendall Willie draft thing going, well gosh, I guess I’d have to respect their fervor. After all I asked them not to, but I can’t help it if they love me and feel I’ll be better for the party.”

And now two weeks before the convention the matter has still not been resolved and more people are beginning to wonder if her failure to close off the option is part of a deliberate strategy. See this piece in the American Thinker.

I don’t think there’s a realistic possibility, but it’s clear the Clintons are positioning themselves in case lightning strikes in some form. Cue the (false) ending of every horror movie ever made where things seem safe at last.

In any case if she’s not plotting to steal the nomination, she should immediately say to her delegates, I release you from your pledge, all I want is a prime time speech. But even if she does, you know that in a certain part of her mind she’s maintaining the “audacity of hope”.

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  1. […] the entire post here […]

    Pingback by Pajamas Media » Is Hillary Plotting Something? — August 7, 2008 @ 11:00 am | Reply

  2. Its not a matter of is she plotting something. The question is what is she plotting.

    I could almost feel sorry for Bambi. Notice I said almost.

    **Breaking out the popcorn.**

    Comment by Peggy — August 7, 2008 @ 11:04 am | Reply

  3. I would put nothing past the Clintons and with Obama sinking in the polls. Who knows what can happen when the crowned prince is turning into a frog before our eyes. This maybe their opportunity to beg and plead behind the scenes to swing the nomination their way. To be honest the American public might just let them do it rather than have this inexperienced poser go and hand the election to McCain. I am not in favor of this kind of politics, but Obama never got the required delegates to seal the deal period, so under the Democrats system things can change quickly at the convention.

    Comment by Sandy Salt — August 7, 2008 @ 11:37 am | Reply

  4. I brought this up in a previous thread but it is worth repeating here. Hillary knows that is Obama isn’t nominated the black, youth and nutroots turnout will tank and she will lose. At this point in time she would rather just see Obama get trounced and run in 2012 then be beaten in 2008.

    Comment by jerry — August 7, 2008 @ 12:05 pm | Reply

  5. Jerry,
    You have a point there, but I still think that she is just power hungry enough not to care, plus she will pull a lot of the females back into this and a lot of the independents as well. She might not miss the left or the other Obamaites. After the Obama debacle the Democrats might just rally around her just to get the Republicains out of the White House.

    Comment by Sandy Salt — August 7, 2008 @ 12:14 pm | Reply

  6. I wonder why no one, absolutely no one, has raised the possibility of the vice presidency
    again. A flash panic about Obama’s viability is barely visible, like the first signs of a possible hurricane in the South Central Atlantic. If his numbers continue to go South as the convention approaches, someone is going to conduct a poll which concludes that Hillary would win but Obama may not. To a dismaying degree he has shown himself capable of the “change” he has promised. It seems logical that he could change his mind and ask her to join the ticket. She may be waiting for that as well. She might even agree.

    Comment by Jacob Cohen — August 7, 2008 @ 12:17 pm | Reply

  7. Denver will be so much fun to watch! And just think: this is supposed to be the Democrats’ year.

    Comment by Denny, Alaska — August 7, 2008 @ 12:18 pm | Reply

  8. Hillary Rodham Clinton just give up?
    Can’t picture that.

    Comment by WPZ — August 7, 2008 @ 12:18 pm | Reply

  9. I’m reminded of the scene in the 1995 version of Richard III where, after being implored to take up the throne, he turns to the camera and says sardonically, “Well I’m not made of stone.”

    Comment by Julie — August 7, 2008 @ 12:34 pm | Reply

  10. As the saying goes, “not until the fat lady sings” and I haven’t heard a note, yet! Nothing would surprise me, and given Obama’s continual decline, the flip-flops and lack of a coherent policy on anything, she could possible win the role call and the nonimation. Boy, that would be an exciting convention!!!!

    Comment by The Wizard — August 7, 2008 @ 12:34 pm | Reply

  11. I agree with jerry that, whatever buyer’s remorse some Democract superdelegates may be experiencing, taking the nomination away from Barry O. at this point is not an option. But what if an Edwards-type scandal hits Barry O. in the next two weeks? I realize that is highly unlikely. However, by having carried on in the primaries even when it looked as if her cause was hopeless, and by giving her supporters reason to vote for her on the first ballot, Hillary ensures that if the Obama balloon pops, it will be her balloon, not Green Al’s balloon, that will rise to the top in Denver.

    Comment by Thomas Collins — August 7, 2008 @ 12:45 pm | Reply

  12. Hillary has the “audacity of hope.” Brilliant.

    Comment by Assistant Village Idiot — August 7, 2008 @ 12:46 pm | Reply

  13. […] SOME QUESTIONS ANSWER THEMSELVES: Could Hillary Be Plotting Something? […]

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  14. Cynical me… I’ve thought that Obama was a false flag from the beginning.

    I can see the strategy backfiring, though, and the Clintons like certainty. This would be an operation from which the DNC would never recover.

    Comment by w3 — August 7, 2008 @ 1:02 pm | Reply

  15. I think there’s a possibility that Obama will tank at the convention. I don’t know why I get that feeling, but I do. Hillary is shrewder and more determined and power-lustful than we give her credit for.

    Comment by Mommynator — August 7, 2008 @ 1:05 pm | Reply

  16. The headline says COULD Hillary be plotting something? Well, of course she COULD. And given her (and her husband’s) history, the odds of her NOT plotting something are about the same as a lion going vegetarian.

    Comment by Mister Snitch! — August 7, 2008 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  17. Does anyone think that another person could want something so much, they could convince themselves that if I cannot have it, then neither will he ?
    That is entirely possible and not that unusual.
    How about the networks cooking this up to try and get a ratings boost in their coverage ? Nah! That would be like creating falsified papers to discredit some candidate. They would never do that , would they ? Why that could never happen . Could it?

    Comment by WR Jonas — August 7, 2008 @ 1:18 pm | Reply

  18. I think that Sen. Clinton and/or her backers will call into question Sen. Obama’s citizenship in order to disqualify him for POTUS. There is evidently some question regarding his birth certificate that the campaign supplied and the pretty damnable charge that it was actually an electronic forgery of his [Obama’s] sister’s, which is reminiscent of the Rathergate CBS forged memo scandal, of which I’m sure everyone still remembers the fallout from that one. The Obama camp could be in for some serious problems and have some rather (heh…rather) uncomfortable explaining to do. I think that this would also have a good chance of backfiring on Clinton and could even result in negative fallout for the Democrat Party itself. I could also be very wrong…but let’s just say, nothing surprises me anymore.

    Thoughts of an Independent, from “outside the box”.

    Comment by Glitchus — August 7, 2008 @ 1:21 pm | Reply

  19. Shouldn’t that be Windell Willkie?

    Comment by David — August 7, 2008 @ 1:25 pm | Reply

  20. The left also agrees that absolutely anything by any of the DLC cabal could be coming down the pike. It was the DLC that created the monster that devoured his party (Bill) and even ensured that Pelosi took impeachment off the table. The right rails against anything or anyone with “Clinton” in the title, the left dispises them and all DLC power brokers as well. they are simply greedy power mad pols and indeed “neocons that stayed.” they trashed the left for generations to come and we are now witnessing the more than pathetic bleatings of supporters of either branch of a one-party system. how easily our constitution is shredded by the power elites of our failed system.
    Jim

    Comment by jim — August 7, 2008 @ 1:26 pm | Reply

  21. er…

    Wendell Willkie

    (slinks off in shame)

    Comment by David — August 7, 2008 @ 1:30 pm | Reply

  22. MzBill draws the same conclusion as anyone with common sense about Obama’s refusal – read “inability” – to provide his original birth certificate. The U.S. Constitution requires the President to be a native-born American. Obama is not. Of course he knows this, so his candidacy is a $200-million fraud. Not even Illinois’ corrupt Democrat machine can fudge this one, and the Dems have to nominate somebody, no matter how distasteful. So Clinton has a shot. What a travesty.

    Comment by Tulsa Jack — August 7, 2008 @ 1:52 pm | Reply

  23. I think a symbolic vote to nominate Hillary at the collection will say the following to Obama:

    “You know who I am? I’M HILLARY CLINTON! And I was making my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders! I’m here, I’m gonna stay here, and I’m not going away. I’m on your “six” and you’d better show me some respect. Ya hear me, Golden Boy?”

    Comment by MarkJ — August 7, 2008 @ 1:59 pm | Reply

  24. … and she should be maintaining it. I’m not exactly a big fan of hers, but could any reasonable person think that she wouldn’t be a better choice for POTUS than Obama?

    The Oval Office does not come with training wheels, after all.

    Comment by Joel Rosenberg — August 7, 2008 @ 2:42 pm | Reply

  25. “I don’t want to be nominated.”

    Which is Clintonspeak for: “I can’t help it if my supporters, on their own and with no urging from me, place my name in nomination. And if I happen to win the nomination, or if that happens to cause a bruising nomination fight on the floor that leaves Obama mortally wounded, well, it wasn’t my fault because I said I didn’t want my name placed in nomination.”

    Comment by Letalis Maximus, Esq. — August 7, 2008 @ 2:52 pm | Reply

  26. The elites that chose our candidates for us fully intended from the beginning to throw Obama under the bus to give us the illusion of choice.

    Either candidate from either party will bow to their globalist masters. (IMHO)

    Comment by JET — August 7, 2008 @ 2:54 pm | Reply

  27. Hillie is shifty and is planning something. She has connections in the sewer of Chicago politics just like Hussein. Chicago is the most racist of all US cities and there have to be members of the machine who would provide damaging information or, at least, lead her operatives to where the negative information could be found. Think of Hussein’s never-before-seen recorded presentation to a group of ACORN reps or a Teamster’s local.
    She will launch or have one of her support groups (think they learned nothing from the Swift Boat exercise?) launch a day or two before the convention (calculate the time between getting broad exposure and how long it would take Hussein to respond). It will be dramatic and damning.
    The target won’t be the media or the public, it will be the super-delegates. Her agents are probably contacting the super-delegates NOW reminding them that Hussein is dropping off and falling behind McCain in the polls. Those warnings will change to hysteria when she launches the Chicago info. It will be like Bush’s DWI ticket story right before the 2000 election.
    Never, never underestimate the deviousness of a Clinton!

    Comment by Martya — August 7, 2008 @ 3:01 pm | Reply

  28. Ru-roh. If they see an opening – and aren’t we all at least starting to see an opening – I think they will go for it. The delegate numbers are close, it would be a mess for sure, but how many times do you get this close to the brass ring? Obama needs to start looking like a winner again soon, but I think he will have problems fighting back from the recent McCain attacks. The message is that Obama is too leftwing and very inexperienced when you actually think about it. I think this message will stick because Obama is very leftwing in recent American political terms and he is incredibly inexperienced in historical terms (like he said, that’s what distinguishes him from all those other presidents on the dollar bill).

    And we haven’t even gotten to the Chicago political corruption angle and so many other facets of Obama. Obama goes from community organizer to local politician all the while pushing affordable housing deals where certain developers make huge returns by fleecing the government. There was a long article about this in that fascist organ the Boston Globe. And one of these guys basically bought the yard for Obama’s house. Obama’s driveway was on “Rezko’s” lot. Rezko sold a little bit of it back to Obama when he realized how bad it looked – he had to to erect a fence that didn’t run through his own driveway. MSNBC had a video up about this but last time I checked I couldn’t get it to play. This article discusses it.

    http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/South.Side.Tony.2.333263.html

    HRC has not used this issue to the fullest (yet). McCain will probably be happy to wait until after the convention to start hitting this message. So I am watching for Sidney Blumenthal or some other Clintonista to start talking about Rezko in the coming weeks.

    Comment by frege — August 7, 2008 @ 3:13 pm | Reply

  29. It’s possible, but B.O. will have to tank much worse in the polls first.

    Comment by bc — August 7, 2008 @ 3:40 pm | Reply

  30. Why *should* Hillary throw in the towel?

    The delegates are free to change their mind up until the point they vote. They they can change them again on each ballot. This is true of Obama’s *and* Hillary’s delegates, as well as any other at the convention. Is this incorrect?

    Who knows what “news” or material information on Obama will turn up between now and the convention?

    A little more slip in the polls for Obama vs. McCain and some of those committed delegates could shake loose in Hillary’s favor, when the sure winner they thought they were getting loses his footing.

    It isn’t over until it’s over!

    Comment by Concerned Citizen — August 7, 2008 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  31. “…Well, you might think that…, but I couldn’t possibly comment.”

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — August 7, 2008 @ 4:42 pm | Reply

  32. I agree with Peggy. Most of all because what are the Clintons to do with themselves without politics? Honestly, what else do they know? Plus, we all know Pelosi is snickering in private; she is still the most powerful woman in the U.S. She would hate to be upstaged by Hillary – while Hillary can’t stand it that she has been upstaged by Pelosi. I smell some sort of surprise around the corner. If not real soon, at least she is still staring at 2012. Who needs to be reminded that both Clintons care about them selves more than anything else?

    Comment by Bob Kerwin — August 7, 2008 @ 5:22 pm | Reply

  33. I think a black man for president would be great-just not this one-in addition to all the aforementioned problems with Obama, he isn’t fully American-to be POTUS, one should be 3rd generation American-on BOTH sides of the family. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’d like for America to be governed by….Americans.

    Comment by Calvin — August 7, 2008 @ 5:24 pm | Reply

  34. […] … shivers…. this is too eerily similar to this story…. […]

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  35. Hillary Clinton is just allowing the media to concentrate on her it gets the republican party,from receiving the majority of the media coverage while the Obamas are on vacation. Hillary has a deal to be the next Supreme Court Justice, if Obama is elected president it benefit both of them. She has no plans on running as vice president and she is not going to let Obama lose. Mc Cain in a landslide and watchout for the Republican Congress.

    Comment by Jesus Warrior — August 7, 2008 @ 5:42 pm | Reply

  36. Interesting question: If Hillary, by some freakish turn of fate manages to pull out the Dem nomination from underneath Obama, will she give the acceptance speech at Invesco Field as Obama has planned? Seems to me that if she does, she’ll be doing it against a backdrop not of swooning followers, but of a giant Denver Broncos logo – as in, the pattern formed by the colors of that stadium’s seats when they’re empty.

    Then again, if you stand back a ways and squint, that Broncos logo does kinda-sorta resemble the Democrats’ donkey.

    Comment by Joshua — August 7, 2008 @ 7:06 pm | Reply

  37. As Flounder said in Animal House:

    “Oh, Boy! Oh, Boy! Oh, Boy! Oh, Boy!”

    Comment by George Clarke — August 7, 2008 @ 7:31 pm | Reply

  38. Since I’m not a member of the Democratic Party anymore my opinion probably means excrement. But, here’s my $.02 worth: If a man (or woman) won the primaries and earned delegates fair and square, and some rules possibly allow the nomination to be stolen away from me, well that just says something about how the party respects the votes of the people. As in, not much. The idea of super delegates, I think, is odious. It at least implies that the party thinks that the people cannot be trusted. That’s very elitist, but it also mirrors how the Party of Jackasses and its leadership regards the rest of us hayseeds.

    Dean, Soros, Pariser, Moulitsas, Huffington, et al have no respect for you people or the nation for that matter. They want to wield the power to impose Euro-socialism on all of us.

    Comment by fred — August 7, 2008 @ 7:56 pm | Reply

  39. Obama is tanking in all the battelground matchups .. slipping in the national polls.. if he truly wants to be president then he asks hillary to be VP and they win without
    her he probaly cannot win unless he asks Sen Joe Biden,., as Veeps evan bayh or gov tim kaine from Va do not get him
    over the finish line in november barack says he uses sound judgement if he really looks at the internal polling he needs hillary even if he doesnt want her just as JFK needed LBJ and didnt want him either ,,,u can almost win the presidency or u can put hillary to work with her 18 million supporters who would jump to attention and rally the dems or u can go it alone and lose.. romney is a shoe in for vp on gop side so mcain can cary michigan.. without hillary obama loses michigan and the pres .. hillary print those signs CLINTON 2012..

    Comment by susan — August 7, 2008 @ 8:06 pm | Reply

  40. Glitchus:
    I think that Sen. Clinton and/or her backers will call into question Sen. Obama’s citizenship in order to disqualify him for POTUS.

    In your dreams. He was born in the USA. Plus, one of his parents was a USA citizen. Either measure suffices to establish citizenship.
    Same with people on the other side that challenge McCain’s citizenship when he was born to a deployed military family on US Territory.
    In Lefty dreams.

    ======================
    Given blacks famous toleration of ineptitude criminality in their leaders where tribal voter loyalty trumps stuff that would dismiss a white, hispanic, or Asian candidate in a heartbeat (think of Marion Barry and crackpipes, Kwanze Patrick, the utter corruption of NYC&Chicago black leaders – Hillary will not get rid of Obama due to incompetence or Sharpton-type scandal.

    And the Dems cannot win without the 95-5% black voting margins they get.

    It would take a serious thing well past community organizer/state Senator kickbacks
    or mundane, expected black leader corruption or incompetence.

    1. Obama is discovered to have two white GF slut-lovers, maybe a mulatto or two spawned, on the side.
    2. Obama is found to have been doing the down low homo thing with white boys.
    3. Obama is found to have sided with his billionaire Jewish pals – the Pritzkers, Crowns, Klutzniks – against black slum dwellers in his various public housing funding intitiatives in the past.

    4. He is found to be so inept that Dem whites & Hillary absolutely must discard him – with black civil war largely avoided contingent on offers for a deal blacks will swallow….A black VP like Wilder or Streeter or the Mass Governor..

    Comment by cedarford — August 7, 2008 @ 8:18 pm | Reply

  41. I hope that Hillary does pull the nomination off of Obama. Whoever it is that denies him the presidency will be the recipient of the most amazing storm of hatred we have ever seen. Think Bush Derangement Syndrome Exponential, and it will never go away and they will never let go of it. I’d much rather have the Democrats hag-ridden with that problem than the Republicans.

    Comment by Kyle — August 7, 2008 @ 9:52 pm | Reply

  42. Why should she NOT try for the nomination?

    The votes she got – the delegates she got – she won fair and square.

    If the superdelegates chose to vote for her – that is their right.

    If she wins – she wins.

    I am no Hillary fan but… rules are rules. And it aint over till it’s over. And she has as much right to try for the nomination as Obama – because neither is the actual voted for nominee yet.

    Comment by AnnieB — August 7, 2008 @ 9:55 pm | Reply

  43. “The right rails against anything or anyone with “Clinton” in the title…” that only held until the GOP nominated Senator McAmnesty, if nominated she would be the rightmost viable candidate.

    As for the PUMAs I would be surprised if they don’t drop a bombshell just prior to the convention; something the Hillary people give them to be sure, but deniable nonetheless.

    Comment by Dan — August 7, 2008 @ 10:10 pm | Reply

  44. ~Hillary could go to the convention and demand the vice-presidential slot. Exactly who could tell her no? Her race ran very close to Obama, and nearly half of the delegates in Denver will have her name at the top of their dance card. Even Obama would gladly acquiesce to keep her from opening up a can of whoop-ass at the convention.

    ~Hillary could open up a can of whoop-ass and possibly succeed if Obama sticks his foot in a big one between now and then.

    ~Hillary goes quietly into that good night and Obama takes the nomination picks someone else for VP.

    Which is most likely?

    I think the first one.

    yours/
    peter.

    Comment by peter jackson — August 7, 2008 @ 10:12 pm | Reply

  45. I wouldn’t expect anything less from Hillary. In fact, if she muscles her way into the nomination, I’d even consider voting for her. That’s some major cajones to nudge her way back in the game.

    Comment by stephen — August 8, 2008 @ 1:35 am | Reply

  46. “Hillary ensures that if the Obama balloon pops, it will be her balloon, not Green Al’s balloon, that will rise to the top in Denver.”

    Don’t count out Planet Al. Once that first ballot is done ALL bets are off.
    I disagree about a brokered convention being disaster for the Donks. Sometime a good fight will help clear the air.
    The All gyrrl ticket; Mother Cindy and Paris Hilton. Campaign motto… A condom in every Giddeon.

    The All green ticket; algore and Raplh Nader. Campaign motto…… Save the planet or else!

    The All crook ticket; Dirty Harry and Rep Jefferson. Campaign motto….. If it ain’t nailed down, we’ll steal it.

    Comment by John Samford — August 8, 2008 @ 2:56 am | Reply

  47. Hilary will go into the convention with a lot of noise and bluster about what will happen. In the end Barry will have a private conversation in which he offers her a supreme court position. This locks her into eternal power.

    does she take the chance that Barry does not win the top spot?

    Same bat time, etc,

    Comment by Douglas Bogle — August 8, 2008 @ 4:31 am | Reply

  48. PUMA, NOBO, and all those women ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA! Get used to it. He may be the Democratic nominee but that was another fiasco courtesy of the DNC shooting itself in the foot, a la Florida and Michigan. And all those big states she won, Obama CANNOT win the White House without them. There is so much buyers’ remorse going on in just in Illinois, it’s amazing. And his flip-flopping makes John Kerry look positively consistent by comparison.

    Comment by Marlene — August 8, 2008 @ 4:55 am | Reply

  49. Its just positioning by Hillary for more money to pay off the campaign debt and give her some good consolation prize. No way Obama gets thrown under the bus, it would result in race riots and blood at the Dem convention. Surely she and Bill realize that and so in the end won’t go down the path of Hillary getting the nomination. Just get some payola and lots of it.

    I still say what she wants is a shot at 2012 and the only way that happens is if Obama looses. So whatever it takes to a)pay off the debt (remember the campaign owes her serious money) b) make sure Obama looses is what is being plotted.

    She will not be a supreme court justice, this is too passive a position for her.

    Comment by SAF — August 8, 2008 @ 5:21 am | Reply

  50. In 1984, I was a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in San Francisco. At that convention, female delegates made elaborate plans for the nomination of Geraldine Ferraro as Vice President. The chair of each state delegation would turn over the microphone to a female delegate who would make a speech about the empowerment of women before casting that state’s votes for Ferraro. When the time came for the actual televised vote, however, the Chair announced “Alabama”, which voted then “Alaska”. By pre-arrangement (due to time constraints for prime time TV) Alaska then moved that New York be next and New York’s delegation moved to nominate Ferraro by acclamation. Party leaders thus destroyed the plans and hopes of a number of women delegates. These female Democratic activists remember that missed opportunity and want to do it again in Denver for the wily Hillary.

    Comment by charlie finch — August 8, 2008 @ 9:11 am | Reply

  51. Here’s a prediction for all you Clinton haters: She WON’T allow herself to be nominated; she WILL support Obama cleanly and unreservedly. In 2 1/2 weeks, all this feverish speculation–what’s she plotting? what devious scheme will the C’s cook up?– will look absolutely foolish.

    Comment by mokami — August 8, 2008 @ 10:59 am | Reply

  52. Hillary has no control over what we, as her supporters, do. I have been a member of the PUMA movement from day one and everything that is being done is decided by us with no input by Hillary or her campaign.
    This has gone so far beyond just getting her elected President. It is about cleaning out the trash in the democratic party.
    The DNC is angry, but it is PUMA they are angry with because they know we are doing everything in our power to strip them of their power.
    That’s why we have the power of the Vote, and you can bet, we will be voting in great numbers to make sure this never happens again.

    Comment by redraz9 — August 8, 2008 @ 11:04 am | Reply

  53. If Hillary is NOT on the ticket as VP, I will vote for “Hillary Clinton” as a write in for President… Sorry, but that’s the way I feel and Obama NEEDS Hillary if he wants to win.

    Comment by Shane — August 8, 2008 @ 10:53 pm | Reply

  54. Why on earth would Hillary accept the VP nomination? I think the Obama folks have all but begged on bent knee, and she has said “No thanks.”

    Now, the top spot, with Obama in at VP? I think she’d take that. My opinion is that Obama is electoral poison at this point, possibly even at the VP slot. But the Clintons may have good polling data that say otherwise.

    Comment by funky chicken — August 8, 2008 @ 11:10 pm | Reply

  55. “The New York Daily News” reports today that Hillary is now “the keynote speaker”.

    Comment by charlie finch — August 10, 2008 @ 11:12 am | Reply

  56. Clearly, she doesn’t think he will win. I think that says more about him than her. Besides, Nixon was already “The One.”

    Comment by MarkO — August 10, 2008 @ 2:50 pm | Reply

  57. After the Denver Convention nominates Obama with his chosen running mate, either the Clintons or a belligerent Republican conclave will prove incontrovertibly that Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, thus is as ineligible for Presidential office as Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    As Obama slinks off to litigate, D-rats will promote his Veep to head the ticket. This character will in turn by pre-arrangement select MzBill as Veep. Uniting Obama’s chosen candidate plus MzBill will placate D-rats’ black and feminist constituencies, but Obama’s scandalous false-pretensions should alienate a majority of voters.

    Meantime, should Obama’s successor come to stand in MzBill’s way over 4 – 8 years through 2012 or 2016, recall that Clinton intimates from Vince Foster to Ron Brown have met suspicious ends by dozens. Would BHO’s exemplar really choose to stand in those crosshairs?

    With Edwards, D-rats’ credibility and time have both run out. Assuming Inner Party bosses act on schedule, by mid-September Obama’s pilgrimmage will be one with Nineveh and Tyre.

    Comment by John Blake — August 10, 2008 @ 8:25 pm | Reply

  58. Besides the very real possibility that Oblabla is not native-born, there is also the issue of having had dual citizenship at some point, probably Indonesian (his adoptive father’s nationality, in a country that pretty much requires family members to be citizens). That COMPLETELY disqualifies him. The Founders didn’t think much of divided loyalties in a POTUS.

    Comment by Brian H — August 11, 2008 @ 7:47 am | Reply

  59. I assume all these people who think HRC should not “throw in the towel” are contributing money to erase the massive debt she has now, and provide money to actually run a race against McCain?

    Meanwhile, although the magic of questions answered by people who have land-line phones and answer them have some indications that not everything think Obama is god, he continues to make money.

    Never been clear on how such a seasoned and skilled political campaigner – what I am told Ms. Clinton is – can fail to raise money and rack up an unprecedented debt. The first, most basic thing that a candidate must do – something that takes actual action from supports – she failed.

    Has anyone checked to see if she’s a gun owner? Wish that was entirely a joke…

    Comment by good rat — August 11, 2008 @ 8:44 am | Reply

  60. obama’s zombie base will just have to turn their stuck out arms around and follow someone else. perhaps we will know who at the democratic convention (which will likely feature obama as elvis). in any case, he is humpty dumpty.

    Comment by Judy, NYC — August 11, 2008 @ 4:11 pm | Reply

  61. I formally withdraw my comment of August 8. I promise never to defend or apologize for Hillary Clinton again.

    Comment by mokami — August 14, 2008 @ 12:29 pm | Reply

  62. go Hillary||| take back the democratic party so we can vote for our party. I don’t want to vote rep.,but seems I have been forced out of my party by our cheating members. hopefully we can get rid of dean and company.

    Comment by gina — August 15, 2008 @ 8:24 am | Reply

  63. So, if H becomes a VP pick, then the second-most-dangerous job in DC (after the President’s) would be B’s food-taster.

    Comment by js — August 15, 2008 @ 4:06 pm | Reply

  64. Hawaii ought to issue an official statement about his birth certificate. It has thus far said it won’t reveal anything except to people with a legitimate interest.

    Well, heavens, isn’t electing a man to the presidency a legitimate interest? I have a right to know whether this bozo is a natural born American citizen or not.

    Hawaii, get going and do your public duty!

    Comment by tanarg — August 16, 2008 @ 12:29 am | Reply

  65. So, with polls continuing to show the downward trend of Obama, it appears that his empty suit status is becoming clearer to more people. Notwithstanding the best efforts of the MSM, Obama’s smooth talk and good looks are no longer doing it. Some polls released today actually show him 5 points behind McCain. Now, I realize that polls are simply a snapshot in time, howver, its been down, down, down, for Obama for over a month.

    The question that perhaps should be asked is, who will Hillary pick for her VP?

    Comment by Syd B. — August 20, 2008 @ 8:29 am | Reply


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