Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

October 24, 2007

Wow! I Just Watched Gary Kasparov on "Hardball" and..

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 5:43 pm

…the guy is incredibly impressive. I’ve never heard a more incisive analysis of geopolitical game playing than the one he just gave. His analysis of the Bush-Putin-Iran game of three dimensional chess is revealing. (If I find an MSNBC transcript I’ll post it). His description of how Putin is outplaying Bush in geopolitical chess is persuasive. His critque of U.S. failure to stand for human rights in Russia is saddening. His description of what Putin’s state is really like (“a police state, a corporate state a KGB Corporation” something like that) is convincing. His courage is inspiring.

He’s running for President of Russia a hopeless but important statement. I wish I could vote for him.

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18 Comments »

  1. The thugs never actually stopped running Russia. They all took a year off and then came back to run Russia as they would say, “like the old Bolsheviks should have”. It is now Hybrid Commie time. Same kind of thuggery as before, only this time they get rich and the proletariat will at least survive while we have our plunder. It is the worst possible combination of Capitalism run by political criminals. I have read some to the financials they release and they know money and love power at any cost.

    Someone needs to come up with a snazzy name for this Hybrid commie. I think that the recent Party Congress in China elevated the same type of people to the Politburo. They are still thugs but well educated about finance and business, kind of a hyper criminal with a diplomatic passport..

    While the Americans handcuff our oil companies, the Russians and Chinese “state organ” oil companies are gaining ground on future supplies of energy around the world.

    Do not even mention what happened to Chevron in Sakhalin Island.
    It is time for some fresh minds in Washington. It is too bad we will probably get a socialist/left government that will take the EU model that has made the EU such a wonderful place to be-from.

    Comment by wmscott — October 25, 2007 @ 3:35 am | Reply

  2. >>> I wish I could vote for him This is what in America has been called “guilt by association”. I’m sure you’re closer to the situation, but are popularity and prosperity more valuable than human rights? Stalin was poular and the U.S.S.R. was relatively prosperous as Putin’s KGB tortured and murdered dissidents and threw poets into mental institutions. I can’t see nostalgia for that. Is Kasparaov risking his life just for the money

    Comment by Vadim — October 25, 2007 @ 2:19 pm | Reply

  3. “Someone needs to come up with a snazzy name for this Hybrid commie.”

    We have a name for them: “democrats.”

    Kasparov is right. Most of all, he is right that Putin is beating Bush at the game. Bush needs to let Condi have more say in what we do in regards to the Soviets, I mean, Russia. She is the expert on this. But instead, Bush has her focusing on the Middle East, which is not her area of expertise.

    I like Bush for a lot of reasons, but when it comes to recognizing and reacting to the real threats posed by Putin, he is a misearable failure.

    Comment by Gullyborg — October 26, 2007 @ 4:26 pm | Reply

  4. Vadim is funny. Well no, he actually isn’t. It is this type of “argumentation” that fools a great majority of Russian people, and it fools them because they are uninformed, due to Putin’s policies.

    Kasparov would return Russia to disaster (btw, when did Russia get out of disaster? I must have been on vacation that day), while Putin would carry Russia forward. Right…

    People like Vadim do untold harm to the ailing Russian society, but then the Russian society has unfortunately always been at the mercy of grand-standing rulers and their minions. This fate hurts tremendously, but then Russians have been murdered and enslaved and impoverished by their fellow countrymen for centuries. Why should that “proud” tradition change now? There is not better future in sight, not in Russia, and definitely not with KGB-Putin.

    Comment by russ — October 26, 2007 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  5. There is a pretty mystical belief amongst Americans (we’re pretty optimistic) that “good” will win out in the end.
    I have to say that all the experimentation going on in the totalitarian countries is startling. They seem to have figured out how many people (and how) to buy off so that the rest can be kept permanently under the thumb of the authorities. Some of these countries are primitive (Zimbabwe, North Korea), others are quite sophisticated (Russia). But they can run a country into the ground, starve vast swathes of the population and still remain in power.
    Maybe they are getting this down to a science.
    Scary. It _could_ happen here….

    Comment by Jim,MtnViewCaUSA — October 26, 2007 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  6. I just returned from an extended trip to Europe, and to be honest, I am starting to welcome the idea of a strong Russia and a bellicose Putin.

    I am convinced that is the ONLY thing that will open the eyes of the vast majority of people over there as to who they should be friends and allies with.

    A little more Russian sabre rattling, a few more overflights, and another cold winter without natural gas, and I imagine a lot of the bashing of America and Americans would end rather quickly.

    Comment by gbeske — October 26, 2007 @ 5:02 pm | Reply

  7. There is a name for it already — it’s called fascism.

    A bit of a stretch by the way to say Stalin was popular and the USSR was relatively properous. The communist regime was feared and despised by a majority of the population and the russians were and remained throughout the soviet era “the poorest white people on earth.” That’s a quote from one of their own pundits. After WW II, the fact that the Japanese, Koreans etc became richer and better off then they were drove the historically xenophobic and racist russians absolutely nuts.

    In the war, Stalin’s and his regime’s salvation was the fact that the germans who invaded in 1941 were even more loathsome than the communists. Well, at least the commies were home grown thugs — not foreign and genocidal monsters. Once aroused, the courage and tenacity of the ordinary russian carried the day.

    Just to be clear I made that remark about Stalin and Putin being “popular” suggest to the commenter that no matter how alegedly “popular” they were, popularity doesn’t trump human rights

    Comment by Mark — October 26, 2007 @ 5:18 pm | Reply

  8. It’s always fashionable to talk about how American presidents — who are hemmed in by so many more limitations on their action than either despots or the leaders of countries that are not, as Putin would put it, hegemons — are being “outfoxed.” Outfoxed by the commies, outfoxed by Saddam, outfoxed by the Chinese, and, now, Putin.

    I remember how stupid Reagan was, too. Always being outsmarted. Everyone else is playing three-dimensional chess and dumb ol’ Ronnie is genial, simplistic, one-dimensional. Remember the winning ways of old Gorbachev, the global rock star of the ’80’s?

    This sort of reasoning is basically what entire political magazines such as Slate are based on, but it is facile and, interestingly, almost never revisited when those clever foxes are retired to their dachas, swinging from a rope or just another footnote to history.

    Reagan was not “outfoxed’ by the the Soviets, he had a principled opposition based on the facts of the KGB police state it was. Bush claimed to look in Putin’s eyes and “see his soul” and then didn’t blink an eye when Putin went about recreating some of the worst aspects of the KGB police state. You don’t think that’s being naive? I call that being outfoxed. Or do you think Bush is playing some brilliant subtle game. Which is? When and how is going to pay off?

    Comment by Ron Coleman — October 26, 2007 @ 5:28 pm | Reply

  9. Is it at all possible that something else is happening?
    The criminal = Iran
    Bush = ‘Bad’ Cop
    Putin = ‘Good’ Cop

    Comment by Malcom Stevens — October 26, 2007 @ 6:03 pm | Reply

  10. Other than spout a bunch of hot air, I don’t see what the US can do about human rights in Russia.

    We’ve got zero influence on them financially. They’ve got oil and gas and supply much of Europe, so they can simply threaten to cut off supplies if we make too much of a fuss.

    We can’t do anything militarily, obviously. So what’s left? Just hot air.

    Maybe GW buddying up to Putin didn’t work. But pissing him off doesn’t seem to be a good strategy, either.

    Ultimately, it’s up to the Russian people themselves.

    Comment by JeremyR — October 26, 2007 @ 6:12 pm | Reply

  11. I really doubt there is a significant portion of the Russian population that gives a crap about civil liberties and rights. When most of them live in crappy towns and even villages where the only possible media is state television (Kommersant nowhere to be found, and hell, even they were just purchased by Gazprom). But what do they know? That the chaos of hyperinflation and economic destruction has come to an end. They don’t care how, they just know that they have jobs again and are actually making a little more than they used to. Competitive elections? Don’t hold your breath.

    Comment by Robert Mayer — October 26, 2007 @ 6:15 pm | Reply

  12. We do have a name for the rulers of the current Russia: “kleptocrats”

    In a kleptocracy, the rulers steal everything that isn’t nailed down, and they get some of the nailed-down stuff too. I encountered such a government first-hand in Jamaica a few years back. I grieve for the Russian people.

    Comment by Nellie Bly — October 26, 2007 @ 6:16 pm | Reply

  13. Russia is a vast criminal enterprise, feeding on oil money. It’s in their interest for chaos to prevail, world wide. Oil just cracked $90/barrel, making Russia a dangerously powerful foe. It may not be the USSR of the cold war, but it’s in a stronger geopolitical position than ever right now.

    Comment by Stephen — October 26, 2007 @ 8:14 pm | Reply

  14. Hyperinflation is not controlled in Russia. Putin just instituted price controls—a very, very temporary solution.

    Comment by Mike Force — October 27, 2007 @ 12:36 am | Reply

  15. Vadim is just echoing what I have heard from every well-educated Russian here in Berlin with whom I have spoken…

    The most common comment by them: that Americans don’t really understand what’s going on within Russia…that Kasparov is connected the the Yeltsin-era gang-ocracy…That democracy takes time, and that Russia is starting from a weaker position, vis-a-vis public understanding of the concept, than did America over 200 years ago…reminds me a bit of what happened in the months leading up to Bush’s re-election in 2004.

    No German with whom I then spoke could understand how such an incompetent, corrupt cowboy (Fahrenheit 911 was a ‘huge’ hit here) could possibly beat a well-educated, sophisticated patrician like John F. Kerry.

    I told them that they didn’t understand American domestic politics at all, and that Bush would win on a combination of economic arguments, and the fact that the American people would decide that Iraq was too important to lose…which is what they did do in the end.

    I don’t like the guy either, and none of the other mittel-europeans (Poles, Germans, Czechs, Ukranians) whom I know trust, or even can stand him…but the Russians are all a lot more cautious and non-condemning.

    May be they know something we don’t…

    Thank you for your inadvertantly hilarious comment, “No German…could understand.” etc. Yes, the German people certainly qualify as experts in choosing leaders.

    BTW, though I disagree with it, this comment is not abusive, or bigoted and, though anonymous–and I prefer not to post anonymous comments–speaks calmly and rationally. If your comment has not posted it’s either because I’m off doing something else and apologize for delay, or because it’s an abusive bigoted post that cowers behind anonymity.I suggest such sad cases read my subsequent post on “The Art of Intellectual Self Defense”.

    Comment by Escutcheon Blot — October 27, 2007 @ 5:09 am | Reply

  16. How easy Americans believe Kasparov’s propaganda which directed at Putin and modern Russia. Kasparov is lying when he implies that polls about his popularity are rigged. He does not have even a marginal support among Russians who realize that he serves US interests in Russia. How would US public react if a person whose family lives in Russia, who frequently travels in Russia pouring dirt on US, would try to run for a president?

    Kasparov’s lies follow the same pattern:
    • Putin is ignorant criminal and cannot have any arguments (at least presented on US TV); he is guilty of all crimes happened in Russia and former USSR during all times
    • Any Kremlin’s statement which does not suit the theory about criminal Putin’s regime is a lie and is a part of Putin’s plot
    • Kasparov has a right to consider any assumption made by himself as absolute truth and proven fact
    • Any fact that does not fit into the story about evil Putin does not have any relation to the subject and is just another Kremlin’s lie
    • Any fact that strengthen Kasparov’s story about bloody Putin regime is of course real and proven, even if it has been just made up by Kasparov
    • Fact which Kasparov did not bother to familiarize himself with does not exist even though it is well-known to public

    Comment by Alex — October 27, 2007 @ 8:20 am | Reply

  17. I’m old enough to remember the national humiliation of the Carter years and can imagine how a Russian might have felt during the 1990s. In this sense, I can understand why Putin is popular; he’s their Reagan. We’re a proud people and it seems the Russians are too.

    And I can’t dismiss Putin as klepto-in-chief because he has a constructive vision for Russia, which is to give back to the Russians their national history. Part Czarist and part Soviet, but nonetheless, theirs. The nearest equivalence I can think of is the restoration of the concept of America in the aftermath of the Civil War.

    Lastly, a smart Putin might use his gas and oil to bankrupt the US and the West, just as we did to the USSR with the arms race 25 years ago. But a wise Putin would see that a broken America wouldn’t be good for Russia. Not with neighbors like China and Islam.

    I guess we’ll find out.

    Comment by chaz — October 27, 2007 @ 10:50 am | Reply

  18. Ron, I was being facetious.

    I don’t know if GWB has a “deep game” going. But I do know that misunderestimating him is always popular sport!

    Comment by Ron Coleman — October 28, 2007 @ 12:54 am | Reply


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