Ron Rosenbaum, Writer

January 4, 2007

A Question About Saddam's Execution and the Beheading Videos

Filed under: Uncategorized — ronrosenbaumwriter @ 5:48 am

Like most everyone I was shocked , disturbed, dismayed by the Saddam Hussein execution cell-phone video. Barbaric, no question. Should have been done with dignity. Yet here’s something else that shocked me: a remark by an Arab writer in a London newspaper that the whole Arab world, all of Muslim culture is humiliated and ashamed by the manner of Saddam’s execution (and of course America’s responsiblity).

My question: where were all the commenters who are suddenly shocked by the messy execution of a mass murderer when he was gassing, torturing and exterminating dissidents and ethnic minorities? Did I miss their outcry? Have those in the Middle East now writing about the barbarity of the hanging of Saddam been writing about how shocked, ashamed and humiliated as a culture they are by the barbaric beheading videos that regularly are put up on Arab media and the internet by “insurgents”?

Just asking.



  1. Very nice A.M. Rosenthal imitation, Ron.

    It’s often true that when people lack the ability to address an argument they resort to ad hominem

    Comment by Louis Proyect — January 4, 2007 @ 3:05 pm | Reply

  2. You should know better than to frame the question that way. Its a cheap shot, and what good does the question serve? Would any answer satisfy you?

    No. Its just a easy way to discredit other peoples opinion, and as a fairly decent writer and a pretty great reader you shouldn’t stoop to it. Are you an op-ed writer for the NY Post?

    Also notice how you want from one individual to a plural “they”. That aint right.

    >Would any answer satisfy me? Yes, an answer to the question I asked: where are the citations from those who professed shock and humiliation at the manner of execution of a mass murderer, citations in which they expressed similar shame over the execution videos circulated by religous fascists showing them slitting the throats of their victims. The commenter seems to be saying either 1) they don’t exist, such citations (otherwise where are they? I’m willing to be convinced by evidence, I just haven’t seen them, that’s why I asked the question. It wasn’t a cheap shot, it was a request which, so far, has gone unanswered) or 2) there’s no reason to feel disturbed about the beheading videos.

    Comment by jimmy — January 4, 2007 @ 7:00 pm | Reply

  3. I’m guessing a lot of the outrage is from the Sunnis, who form the majority in the Arab world, at how Saddam’s hanging, which was supposed to be done through legal means by a government with some claim to legitimacy, turned into a Shi’ite lynching.

    The insurgents are outlaws; barbarity is expected of them. Saddam was a dictator. This new government was supposed to be a beacon of democracy and rule of law for the Middle East, at least in the dreams of the neocons.

    Comment by Steve — January 4, 2007 @ 11:19 pm | Reply

  4. There seems to be a significant distinction between the kinds of things Arabs/Muslims are publically and privately “humiliated” by.

    Comment by Shmuel — January 5, 2007 @ 4:26 am | Reply

  5. Let me break it down for you, slowly.

    I dont have your source, but lets start with “a remark by an Arab writer in a London newspaper.” One remark by an arab writer about the biggest story in the newspapers that day.

    SO the paper gets an arab to comment on the big story in the Arab world. And he says ” that the whole Arab world, all of Muslim culture is humiliated and ashamed by the manner of Saddam’s execution.” That is a statement of fact. Is it true?

    Now you want to know where were all the commentators(all the commentators? I assume you mean all the arab commentators) when Saddam was gassing various people or insurgent were beheading people. Thats the part that seems dishonest. As a writer, you should know you cant write about everything.

    I dont read Arabic, myself. I dont know what all those foriegn people have said about the beheadings or the gassing of the kurds.

    But you can’t an answer an argument by asking why the arguer isnt arguing about something else.

    The arab in london paper had a point about Saddam’s death. Better to address the substance of his argument than ask why he isnt writing something else.

    Sure, I would like an essay on Long Day’s Journey Into Night or Miss LonelyHearts rather than another essay on Austin or Miss Cash, but the writer gets to choose his own subject.

    Comment by jimmy — January 5, 2007 @ 11:59 am | Reply

  6. “a remark by an Arab writer in a London newspaper that the whole Arab world, all of Muslim culture is humiliated and ashamed by the manner of Saddam’s execution (and of course America’s responsiblity).”

    this guy is obviously a fraud. it is not possible for today’s “muslim culture to be humiliated or ashamed”. there is no proof available to say that is possible.

    Comment by patrick neid — January 5, 2007 @ 2:22 pm | Reply

  7. Muslims should be ashamed that they believe in lying Mullahs/ Imams, and should be ashamed that they are such failures in modern times.

    This shame should lead them to want to copy success — instead of destroying it. Copy America, like the Japs & Krauts did after they lost WW II, rather than forever blame their failures on others.

    Comment by Tom Grey — January 8, 2007 @ 8:52 am | Reply

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